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Old March 22, 2015, 06:14 AM   #1
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Gun identification

Since it's my first post-Hi everybody

I'm writing to ask you for help with identification of a gun.
It's in possession of a pawnshop which clearly has no idea what it really is since a guy claims it to be: COLT NAVY REMINGTON 1843 cal .44
I'm not a gun specialist as well for me it looks like Colt Dragoon model 3rd but I'm not 100% sure so if anyone can verify that please help me. Also, has anyone any experience with Euroarms Brescia replicas? What's the quality of their work? Any thoughts on this specific gun? Do you think it's in useless condition or it may be still worth buying just for this first trashy gun that you just want to have to check it all out and learn about black powder percussion guns before you consider spending more money for any good replica?







https://picoolio.net/images/2015/03/...t7cc9a2.md.jpg
https://picoolio.net/images/2015/03/...t41c3b9.md.jpg

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Old March 22, 2015, 08:10 AM   #2
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You show what might be called a "replica of a gun that did not exist."
It is the fictional ".44 Confederate Navy."

It is the size of an 1851 Navy Colt but with the round "dragoon" barrel used on some of the Confederate copies and the brass frame used on a very few of the Confederate copies... but not on the same gun.

And it is .44 caliber which NOBODY in the 19th century used on that pattern of revolver.

Search on this board for "brasser" and you will find many opinions about these. They seem satisfactory for shooting with reduced loads, study the use of fillers to eliminate air space between a light powder charge and the ball.

I don't know anything about the Euroarms brand, but somebody will be along.
This one has a prominent drag mark on the cylinder, it has been shot or at least cocked a lot.
Check it out for fit, especially of the cylinder arbor.

I note that the front sight is gone.

The (square) AA shows manufacture in 1975, so it has had time for a lot of use.
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Old March 22, 2015, 08:58 AM   #3
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Thanks for your fast reply

That's very helpful, I had a lot troubles of finding a photo of similar weapon and now the mystery is solved.
However when I search for 'confederate navy' I get the photos of the guns with octagonal barrel, so are you sure this is the thing?

So the difference between this..."Frankenstein" and Colt Dragoon 3rd model should basically be the brass frame and the size?


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The (square) AA shows manufacture in 1975, so it has had time for a lot of use.
That's what I forgot to ask about. Is there any website (or maybe thread on this forum) where I can find explanation of those marks, symbols?
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Old March 22, 2015, 11:17 AM   #4
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This ought to help http://powderhombre.com/mbpproofmarks.pdf

This is a non historic .44 cal replica of the .36 cal Griswold & Gunnison revolver. Euroarms is no longer in business; but some replacement parts can be obtained from S&S Firearms. http://www.ssfirearms.com/
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Old March 22, 2015, 11:33 AM   #5
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So the difference between this..."Frankenstein" and Colt Dragoon 3rd model should basically be the brass frame and the size?
I would put it that the difference is more like "everything except the shape of the barrel." It is mechanically the same as an 1851 Navy. It has the rebated cylinder of the 1860 Army.
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Old March 22, 2015, 01:59 PM   #6
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The AA in the box is the build date 1975.
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Old March 22, 2015, 03:29 PM   #7
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Like Fingers said its closer to a Griswold than anything else. Take away the rebated cylinder and .44 caliber and it would be a Griswold. As it is its a repro of something that ever existed.
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