drilling

rkc · December 16, 2004, 01:06 PM

I have a drilling double barrel 16 gauge over 9.3 x 72, hammers, underlever very nice, not like new--

marked Krupp Stahl on each barrel (not damascus) and Hirschberg on left barrel, A Haelbit on the other barrel

I am taking it to the gun show for a friend and dont wish to give it away- any ideas-- can't find a drilling website etc I figured with the wealth of intelligence on the Firing Line someone would have this information packed away!!!

has folding leaf (1) sight, etc, this is a nice well balanced old gun have a few Norma rounds.

any information thanks!!!1 I know so little about these guns--

K80Geoff · December 17, 2004, 08:05 AM

Try this website:

http://www.gunshop.com/

Krupp Stahl = Krupp Steel, Krupp has a long history of arms making, probably produced the steel the barrels were struck from. Hirschberg may be where the gun was built and A Haelbit might be the builder.

Many Drillings were built by "Guilds". Independent master craftsmen who specialized in a specific gun making art IE barrel making, stockmaking, fitting actions etc. "Guild Guns" were often put together by a series of craftsmen for a "Builder" who then sold the guns to gun dealers or importers.

dfaugh · December 17, 2004, 04:07 PM

I'd give you a couple hundred bucks for it

Seriously, though, I've always been fascinated by these guns, most i've seen were works art. I don't know very much about them, other than the ones I've seen for sale went for BIG bucks, in decent condition(which is why I don't own one). I'd find someone truly knowledgable and have it appraised, just to be sure of its value. Or, of course, someone here can give you a good idea of its value.

.45-70 Rifleman · December 26, 2004, 09:58 PM

You said you are looking for a drilling website. You might try going to the drilling hotline (drillinghotline.com). They are a retailer but they have a lot of information and several good links. I would send them an email and see if they can help with some information.

James K · January 4, 2005, 03:28 PM

There are two towns named Hirschberg in Germany (the name literally means "deer mountain"), so your gun could have been made in either. I can find nothing on the maker, A. Haelbit.

Jim

Harry Bonar · February 28, 2005, 08:34 AM

Dear Shooter:
If I was you I sure wouldn't trade that off. (9.3MM is .366 )and the 74R is a gun which was used in Africa for the "big-five."
I'd seek professional advice from a drilling dealer, and I would not trade it.
Harry B.

Jim Watson · February 28, 2005, 09:20 AM

Uh, Harry, he said it was a 9.3x72 which is an entirely different, older, and much less powerful cartridge. About like .38-55 ballistics and OK for deer at iron sight ranges but certainly not a safari gun.
The shot barrels are probably chambered 65mm (2 9/16") and may run high pressures with modern 2 3/4" shells.
Cute but not good for much. I don't follow prices closely but they seem to go begging in the mid-teens at gun shows around here.

December 16, 2004, 01:06 PM	#1
rkc Senior Member Join Date: October 16, 2001 Location: South Posts: 295	drilling I have a drilling double barrel 16 gauge over 9.3 x 72, hammers, underlever very nice, not like new-- marked Krupp Stahl on each barrel (not damascus) and Hirschberg on left barrel, A Haelbit on the other barrel I am taking it to the gun show for a friend and dont wish to give it away- any ideas-- can't find a drilling website etc I figured with the wealth of intelligence on the Firing Line someone would have this information packed away!!! has folding leaf (1) sight, etc, this is a nice well balanced old gun have a few Norma rounds. any information thanks!!!1 I know so little about these guns-- __________________ rkc

December 17, 2004, 08:05 AM	#2
K80Geoff Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 1998 Location: NE Pennsylvania Posts: 3,639	Try this website: http://www.gunshop.com/ Krupp Stahl = Krupp Steel, Krupp has a long history of arms making, probably produced the steel the barrels were struck from. Hirschberg may be where the gun was built and A Haelbit might be the builder. Many Drillings were built by "Guilds". Independent master craftsmen who specialized in a specific gun making art IE barrel making, stockmaking, fitting actions etc. "Guild Guns" were often put together by a series of craftsmen for a "Builder" who then sold the guns to gun dealers or importers. __________________ I am no longer a member of this forum. Bye!

December 17, 2004, 04:07 PM	#3
dfaugh Senior Member Join Date: January 17, 2002 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 1,715	well... I'd give you a couple hundred bucks for it Seriously, though, I've always been fascinated by these guns, most i've seen were works art. I don't know very much about them, other than the ones I've seen for sale went for BIG bucks, in decent condition(which is why I don't own one). I'd find someone truly knowledgable and have it appraised, just to be sure of its value. Or, of course, someone here can give you a good idea of its value. __________________ "If you Listen to Fools, the Mob Rules" "No one has the answer, but one thing is true. You'e got to turn on evil, when its coming after you. You've gotta face it down,and when it tries to hide, you've got to go in after it, and never be denied. Time is running out...Let's roll. Let's roll for freedom, let's roll for love. We're going after satan, on the wings of a dove. Let's roll for freedom, let's roll for truth. Let's not let our children grow up fearful in their youth."

December 26, 2004, 09:58 PM	#4
.45-70 Rifleman Junior Member Join Date: December 26, 2004 Posts: 8	Drilling web page You said you are looking for a drilling website. You might try going to the drilling hotline (drillinghotline.com). They are a retailer but they have a lot of information and several good links. I would send them an email and see if they can help with some information. Last edited by .45-70 Rifleman; December 26, 2004 at 10:01 PM. Reason: Clarification

February 28, 2005, 08:34 AM	#6
Harry Bonar Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2004 Location: In the Vincent, Ohio general area. Posts: 1,804	re-drilling Dear Shooter: If I was you I sure wouldn't trade that off. (9.3MM is .366 )and the 74R is a gun which was used in Africa for the "big-five." I'd seek professional advice from a drilling dealer, and I would not trade it. Harry B.

January 4, 2005, 03:28 PM	#5
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	There are two towns named Hirschberg in Germany (the name literally means "deer mountain"), so your gun could have been made in either. I can find nothing on the maker, A. Haelbit. Jim

February 28, 2005, 09:20 AM	#7
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,535	Uh, Harry, he said it was a 9.3x72 which is an entirely different, older, and much less powerful cartridge. About like .38-55 ballistics and OK for deer at iron sight ranges but certainly not a safari gun. The shot barrels are probably chambered 65mm (2 9/16") and may run high pressures with modern 2 3/4" shells. Cute but not good for much. I don't follow prices closely but they seem to go begging in the mid-teens at gun shows around here.