A non-machine gun "machine gun"...

SDC · July 9, 2009, 12:31 PM

Here's an oddball that I'd never even heard of until recently; during the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-5, the Russians had no machine guns, but faced the Japanese who did. During the Siege of Port Arthur (in modern-day China, near the border with North Korea), a Captain Shemetillo came up with this weird thing, necessity being the mother of invention. A system of rods lets the bolts of all 5 rifles (Mosin-Nagants) be operated and fired simultaneously, while the "gunner" aims using the sights on the middle rifle. It's amazing what sort of work circumstances can produce

Chipperman · July 9, 2009, 03:48 PM

Interesting. You don't have any other pics do you?
I'd like to get an idea of how all of the bolts are operated simultaneously. The triggers would be simple enough.

SDC · July 9, 2009, 03:58 PM

No, sorry; I found this one on a tourism site for Vladivostok (covering a museum on the Russians' "Pacific Fleet" there), and it looked so odd I had to try to find some more info on it.

BobbyT · July 9, 2009, 04:00 PM

Makes me think of individual throttle body setups on an I6.

vintagemc313 · July 9, 2009, 05:03 PM

Very interesting!! What's the story of the board with nails in the background? I've stepped on many like that in the past.

publius · July 9, 2009, 06:40 PM

Cool.

SDC · July 9, 2009, 08:07 PM

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Very interesting!! What's the story of the board with nails in the background? I've stepped on many like that in the past.

The original caption didn't mention it, but I'd have to think it was part of the original fortifications at Port Arthur.

seanie · July 9, 2009, 09:33 PM

That thing is awesome. It reminds me of the 10/22 gatling guns, but cooler.

armoredman · July 10, 2009, 05:09 AM

How bizzare. A beaten zone weapon.

Willie Lowman · July 11, 2009, 02:58 PM

I bet it takes a strong arm to cock 5 Mosin bolts at once.

royke · December 17, 2009, 12:19 AM

I don't believe that those are Mosin Nagant Rifles....Mosin had completely straight stock behind triggerguard and rear sight is wrong as well...... These might be Steyr rifle......

SDC · December 17, 2009, 06:40 AM

You may be right, Royke; it's hard to see the details of the receiver, but they might even be captured Arisakas.

fal308 · December 19, 2009, 03:21 PM

I imagine it's a twist linkage setup. Twist a rod (like motorcycle throttle only inline) to open the bolt and pull the linkage rod back to cycle the bolt.

July 9, 2009, 12:31 PM	#1
SDC Senior Member Join Date: January 23, 2001 Location: People's Republic of Kanada Posts: 1,652	A non-machine gun "machine gun"... Here's an oddball that I'd never even heard of until recently; during the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-5, the Russians had no machine guns, but faced the Japanese who did. During the Siege of Port Arthur (in modern-day China, near the border with North Korea), a Captain Shemetillo came up with this weird thing, necessity being the mother of invention. A system of rods lets the bolts of all 5 rifles (Mosin-Nagants) be operated and fired simultaneously, while the "gunner" aims using the sights on the middle rifle. It's amazing what sort of work circumstances can produce __________________ Gun control in Canada: making the streets safer for rapists, muggers, and other violent criminals since 1936.

July 9, 2009, 03:58 PM	#3
SDC Senior Member Join Date: January 23, 2001 Location: People's Republic of Kanada Posts: 1,652	No, sorry; I found this one on a tourism site for Vladivostok (covering a museum on the Russians' "Pacific Fleet" there), and it looked so odd I had to try to find some more info on it. __________________ Gun control in Canada: making the streets safer for rapists, muggers, and other violent criminals since 1936.

July 9, 2009, 06:40 PM	#6
publius Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2005 Location: Mississippi/Texas Posts: 2,505	Cool. __________________ "Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress, but I repeat myself." Mark Twain

July 11, 2009, 02:58 PM	#10
Willie Lowman Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2009 Location: Uh-Hi-O Posts: 3,006	I bet it takes a strong arm to cock 5 Mosin bolts at once. __________________ "9mm has a very long history of being a pointy little bullet moving quickly" --Sevens

December 17, 2009, 06:40 AM	#12
SDC Senior Member Join Date: January 23, 2001 Location: People's Republic of Kanada Posts: 1,652	You may be right, Royke; it's hard to see the details of the receiver, but they might even be captured Arisakas. __________________ Gun control in Canada: making the streets safer for rapists, muggers, and other violent criminals since 1936.

July 9, 2009, 03:48 PM	#2
Chipperman Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2000 Location: Live Free or Die, Baby! Posts: 1,550	Interesting. You don't have any other pics do you? I'd like to get an idea of how all of the bolts are operated simultaneously. The triggers would be simple enough.

July 9, 2009, 04:00 PM	#4
BobbyT Senior Member Join Date: May 3, 2009 Posts: 266	Makes me think of individual throttle body setups on an I6.

July 9, 2009, 05:03 PM	#5
vintagemc313 Member Join Date: April 4, 2008 Posts: 33	Very interesting!! What's the story of the board with nails in the background? I've stepped on many like that in the past.

July 9, 2009, 09:33 PM	#8
seanie Senior Member Join Date: April 1, 2009 Location: IL Posts: 147	That thing is awesome. It reminds me of the 10/22 gatling guns, but cooler.

July 10, 2009, 05:09 AM	#9
armoredman Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 5,299	How bizzare. A beaten zone weapon.

December 17, 2009, 12:19 AM	#11
royke Junior Member Join Date: June 22, 2007 Posts: 4	I don't believe that those are Mosin Nagant Rifles....Mosin had completely straight stock behind triggerguard and rear sight is wrong as well...... These might be Steyr rifle......

December 19, 2009, 03:21 PM	#13
fal308 Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 12, 1998 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,992	I imagine it's a twist linkage setup. Twist a rod (like motorcycle throttle only inline) to open the bolt and pull the linkage rod back to cycle the bolt.