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October 24, 2015, 01:31 PM | #1 |
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Where have all the DAO Pistols gone?
http://www.policemag.com/blog/firear...ong-in-le.aspx
Not striker fired. Hammer fired DAO pistols are becoming extinct. |
October 24, 2015, 01:45 PM | #2 |
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There are still options on the market, but there has definitely been a shift in recent years towards "safe-action" striker fired pistols in preference to DAO hammer-fired pistols, notably so in law enforcement (hence that article). SIG P250, SIG P series with the DAK trigger, Beretta has some options in the PX4 line, HK still has the LEM line of pistols, and of course there are plenty of DAO S&W 3rd Gens still floating around (and some still in use by departments). The manufacturers are simply going toward where the greater demand and money is to be found.
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October 24, 2015, 01:50 PM | #3 |
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I can't name a DAO anymore. I think HK makes a variant and Sig, I think.
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October 24, 2015, 02:53 PM | #4 |
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It's a bit of a rare bird, but there's the Lionheart version of the South Korean service pistol.
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October 24, 2015, 02:56 PM | #5 |
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The article was actually about DA/SA, not DAO.
The problem with DA pistols in LE is that it takes more training to teach officers how to shoot in DA; it's a lot easier to teach someone to keep their fingers off the trigger of a striker gun than to keep the weapon steady through the trigger pull. Sadly, even that minimum level of training seems to be too difficult to implement. |
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Boy I guess I need to look at the article next time and not just respond to the OP . First off this article is two years old. Secondly, it basically answers the OP's question. Lastly, it has some notable mistakes:
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October 24, 2015, 03:11 PM | #7 |
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Concerning DAO's, I have been buying them all up hahahahahahahaha!
Not really, but I do have a preference for traditional, true DAO and have had several throughout the years to include several in my current inventory consisting of a pair of CZ 100's (my EDC), an HK P2000 LEM, and my PX4 D. Previously owned were a Beretta 96D Centurion and 8000 D Cougar, a Sig P229 DAK, as well as a P250 Compact and Subcompact, LEM Variants of HK's P30, P2000, & P2000SK, and an old Ruger P95 DAO. Several of these will be re-acquired in the future! A few that I would buy in a heartbeat if the price were right, and add to my carry rotation, would be the CZ-made Colt Z40, FN's FNP9-M compact, and Walther's P99 DAO and P99Q (though it, the Q, will never see importation).... Last edited by Cyanide971; October 26, 2015 at 12:50 PM. |
October 24, 2015, 04:03 PM | #8 |
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The P290RS is a hammer-fired dao suitable for ccw, maybe a back-up for LE.
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October 24, 2015, 05:02 PM | #9 |
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Had a Gen3 S&W DAO for a a while. Sold it. No regrets. Never cared for the trigger.
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October 24, 2015, 06:34 PM | #10 |
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A lot can be said for ease of use, and I think that is the driving force with the shift from DA/SA to striker fired pistols. In many cases training seems like an afterthought, and people tend to simply go through the motions. It is much easier to learn a Glock trigger than it is to transition from DA to SA (for the majority of novice shooters). Add to that being a LEO or Military is not a dead giveaway for a well trained shooter. Also, guns have evolved, and the more popular striker fired pistols are as reliable as their hammer fired counterparts.
I still have love for the hammers, but in a DA/SA configuration as opposed to the DAO type. If I've fired one shot I will certainly be prepared to fire a few more... I don't need 10 (or more) pounds of pull with a long reset each time. Everyone is different though. |
October 24, 2015, 06:34 PM | #11 |
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The lc9 (not lc9s) is DAO. I had one and traded it because the trigger was not so great. That may be the fundamental reason for the change.DAO guns are generally small carry pieces because DAO is relatively safe. But the striker fired design is about the same in saftey and the trigger pull is generally better (not always). Plus I believe striker fired are cheaper to manufacture than hammer fired. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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October 24, 2015, 06:39 PM | #12 |
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old LC9, Sccy, Taurus 24/7, Kel-Tec pf9-pf11,p3at Sig P226 DAK, Smith & Wesson 6946 and others. not popuar, but most every manufacture has a few, i don't care for them, but not enough experience to make a blanket statement that they are worse, i shot a little pocket sig that was really smooth and DAO.
i remember now, the Sig P250 has a really nice DAO, but had little time with it,
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My wife and I shoot 9mm 1911s, but I recently bought a 9mm H&K P2000 V2 (LEM) for SD/HD. I really like the trigger and appreciate being able to control the hammer with my thumb when reholstering. I would think this sort of action would be well suited to LE, but even with the reduced pricing the H&Ks are probably too expensive for LE agencies.
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I prefer DAO for concealed carry, just because I feel more at ease with that long trigger pull. I know all the arguments in favor of the striker, but I still prefer having that little bit of extra margin of stupidity that comes with the DA. With practice, shooting DA inside of 15 yards is not difficult.
I own a PM9 (I know it's a striker, but I consider it a DA), which edged out the 290RS for me. I'm considering the KelTec P-11, but I'm just not sold not its quality. I'm very satisfied with the PM9, but it has its quirks which still bug me, but not enough for me to replace it with something else. |
October 24, 2015, 11:07 PM | #15 |
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Hammer fired dao handguns are far more expensive to produce. People will, in probably 90 percent of the time choose a cheaper striker fired gun, both because they can get a reasonably inexpensive gun with strong brand name, and also because it just doesn't matter to them what mechanism it uses.
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IMO, DAO and many striker guns do this well. |
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I assume you mean LEO since most civilians aren't given ammo and training. Having taken courses with officers of various career lengths and from departments in different states I can tell you that none of those officers received money for those courses. They paid for them out of their own pockets, as well as the ammo for the course. Besides yearly qualification the departments rarely pay for additional training. It's not in the budget. Police are one of those things that people love to have but are reluctant to pay for. The move to strikers isn't solely due to the "half ass" nature of the officers. |
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October 25, 2015, 09:10 PM | #21 |
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TunnelRat....I get where you are coming from. I guess my angle was more related to adult training in general, not that any officers were half a$$ed.
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October 25, 2015, 09:30 PM | #22 |
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My P99 is DA/SA. Love the short and smooth SA and the second strike DA capability. My CZ100 has a long take up. That's probably the weak link of DAO pistols as a genre: the long trigger pull.
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I hear ya. I spent years shooting DA/SA and I had the time to give it the practice it needs. The reality is I can maintain the same level of proficiency with a lot less shooting with striker fired safe action type pistols. Last edited by TunnelRat; October 26, 2015 at 02:48 PM. |
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