Hunting minimums and maximums - Page 3

Deja vu · January 14, 2012, 10:07 PM

My Cousin has killed a Grizz with a bow. I have never killed a Grizzly but for me I think I would take my 45/70 Govt.

as far as deer or elk attacking, I have seen a young buck attack a Husky during the rutt.

BIG P · January 14, 2012, 10:56 PM

Coyote 17HMR.Big end anything I could end his days with.
DEER-223 through 3ooWM.
Elk-25-06 through 300WM
GRIZZ- 30-06- 458 WM.

Old Grump · January 15, 2012, 11:29 AM

minimum on coyote, 22LR
minimum on deer, .243
minimum on Grizzly while hunting 300 Wby

no limit on maximum, use what you got or can handle competently.

Just dos centavos from a dinosaur

Mausermolt · January 15, 2012, 12:12 PM

song dog: 22lr :ive shot many a yote with a 22. if they are at 50 yds+ i go for a head shot. if i miss, oh well i just educated the bugger. max: whatever is in my hand

deer: 6mm Remington. max: 300WSM. ive shot a few deer with my wsm and it is quite overkill for muleys. ive since switched to a 8mm mauser or 6mm remington for them. does the job plenty well.

elk: min: 257 roberts, seen many of cows tipped over with one shot from the good ol roberts. max: dont see any reason why you need more than a 300 win mag or a 45/70.

Griz: min: 300WSM just because i dont want the chance of wounding it and it coming after me like a porterhouse with legs. max: none

seems like the general consensus shows that with good shot placement any animal can be taken with any modern weapon. ive killed lots of cattle with a 22lr, that said it was like shooting fish in a barrel......or cattle in a feedlot pen

i think its all about individual comfort and skill. but there is no excuse for blowing the hind quarters off a deer with a 300 win mag and have to chase it all over timbuck two

Major Dave (retired) · January 15, 2012, 05:38 PM

coyote = .223/257
deer = .243/30-06
elk = .270/.338
griz = .338/.416

I consider lesser than stated mins would do the job, just not as reliably. Higher ratio of wounds, lower ratio of kills.

Greater than stated max's would probably result in more misses, due to greater recoil/muzzle blast. If you don't hit the kill zone, it doesn't matter what diameter, velocity and/or bullet weight you are using.

Irish B · January 15, 2012, 08:11 PM

For coyote probably .22lr min and 243 max
For deer 243 min 308 max
For elk 270 min 30-06 max
For HUNTING grizzly 270 min 375 Max. For self defense grizz .454 cas min .416 w Max. Keeping in mind the #2 world record polar bear was taken with a .270. In an ideal grizzly hunt I'd be 75 yards away and the bear would have no knowledge of my presence. In that perfect situation I might chance using a .270

Jack O'Conner · January 18, 2012, 07:26 AM

22 MAG: coyote

.223 with 64 grain bullet: deer

35 Remington with 200 grain bullet: elk

.308 with 200 grain Speer bonded bullet: grizzley

Jack

buckfynn · January 19, 2012, 01:12 AM

Coyote 22lr - .243
Dear 22-250 - .308
Elk .243 - 300 win mag
Wolf 22-250 - 300 win mag
Never shot a Griz ?
Black Bear .243 - .308

huntinaz · January 19, 2012, 01:22 AM

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35 Remington with 200 grain bullet: elk

How could you possibly, with a handle of "Jack O'connor," say your minimum for elk is not less than or equal to a 270???!!!

Alaska444 · January 19, 2012, 02:32 AM

Deer .444 Marlin
Elk .444 Marlin
Griz. .444 Marlin
Coyote .444 Marlin

Sorry, couldn't help myself. LOL

Aaron1100us · January 19, 2012, 04:13 AM

.700 Nitro Express should take care.of anything.

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12-34hom · January 19, 2012, 11:29 AM

coyote & deer - 243 or 6mm.

Elk & bear - 300 Winchester mag.

12-34hom.

taylorce1 · January 19, 2012, 01:43 PM

Small game I intend to eat - .22lr or .410 ga

Varmints - .22 lr up to .375 Ruger

Hogs - .223 up to .375 Ruger

Pronghorn/Deer - 6x47 up to .375 Ruger

Elk/Moose - 6.5X55 up to .375 Ruger

Black Bear - .243 Win up to .375 Ruger

Grizzly/Brown - .30-06 up to .375 Ruger

All of the above except small game with a .50 caliber Muzzle Loader as well as compound bow. I've killed a lot of varmints with whatever rifle I was packing at the time, no reason to worry about what rifle is or isn't in hand when a target of oppotunitiy arises. I'd even use the .223 for Deer and Pronghorn were it legal where I hunt. .375 Ruger is the largest cartridge I shoot as of right now but there is no top end as far as I'm concerned for most hunting situations.

JustinNC · January 19, 2012, 02:50 PM

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How could you possibly, with a handle of "Jack O'connor," say your minimum for elk is not less than or equal to a 270???!!!

270 in 150gr has more energy than a 35rem in 200 gr

....so that that is LESS than a 270 lol

huntinaz · January 19, 2012, 03:01 PM

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270 in 150gr has more energy than a 35rem in 200 gr ....so that that is LESS than a 270 lol

Aha! So not that blasphemous. I think a 35 Rem levergun would make a nice elk popper.

Wyoredman · January 19, 2012, 03:06 PM

Coyotes: Minimum-.204 ruger, Maximum (in the Wyoming wind)-.325WSM!
Deer: Min-.243 win (smallest legal in WY), Max- .325 WSM (for now)
Elk: see "Deer"
Moose: Min.-.270WSM, Max.- see "coyote"
Grizz: Min.- .357 mag, Max.- see "coyote"

Guess you know what guns I have in my collection!

JustinNC · January 19, 2012, 03:45 PM

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Aha! So not that blasphemous. I think a 35 Rem levergun would make a nice elk popper.

Not to start a larger debate that in forever on going on the marlin forum....

a 30-30win has more energy than the 35rem even though it's a larger boolit

Factory ballistics of course

How many would say that a 30-30 is inadequate for elk? lol

I would have zero issues with a 30-30 to 200yds given it was scoped and I knew my gun. There again, I have a 7mag if I ever decide I need an need to chase an elk.

*stir stir stir*

rumrunner · January 25, 2012, 12:23 AM

.338 Lapua

I can't think of anything I couldn't hunt with that.

in response to the statement about old timers using sub par rifles and bows I think this is due the fact that it was more about survival than hunting. If your life depends on putting meat on the table you will be slightly less worried about making a shot that will drop the animal right away, and more worried about just making it recoverable. with most hunters ethics is the concern over survival.

January 14, 2012, 10:07 PM	#51
Deja vu Senior Member Join Date: March 14, 2010 Location: Border of Idaho & Montana Posts: 2,584	My Cousin has killed a Grizz with a bow. I have never killed a Grizzly but for me I think I would take my 45/70 Govt. as far as deer or elk attacking, I have seen a young buck attack a Husky during the rutt. __________________ Shot placement is everything! I would rather take a round of 50BMG to the foot than a 22short to the base of the skull. all 26 of my guns are 45/70 govt, 357 mag, 22 or 12 ga... I believe in keeping it simple. Wish my wife did as well...

January 15, 2012, 11:29 AM	#53
Old Grump Member in memoriam Join Date: April 9, 2009 Location: Blue River Wisconsin, in Posts: 3,144	minimum on coyote, 22LR minimum on deer, .243 minimum on Grizzly while hunting 300 Wby no limit on maximum, use what you got or can handle competently. Just dos centavos from a dinosaur __________________ Good intentions will always be pleaded for any assumption of power. The Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern will, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters. --Daniel Webster--

January 15, 2012, 12:12 PM	#54
Mausermolt Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2007 Location: Ory-gun Posts: 508	song dog: 22lr :ive shot many a yote with a 22. if they are at 50 yds+ i go for a head shot. if i miss, oh well i just educated the bugger. max: whatever is in my hand deer: 6mm Remington. max: 300WSM. ive shot a few deer with my wsm and it is quite overkill for muleys. ive since switched to a 8mm mauser or 6mm remington for them. does the job plenty well. elk: min: 257 roberts, seen many of cows tipped over with one shot from the good ol roberts. max: dont see any reason why you need more than a 300 win mag or a 45/70. Griz: min: 300WSM just because i dont want the chance of wounding it and it coming after me like a porterhouse with legs. max: none seems like the general consensus shows that with good shot placement any animal can be taken with any modern weapon. ive killed lots of cattle with a 22lr, that said it was like shooting fish in a barrel......or cattle in a feedlot pen i think its all about individual comfort and skill. but there is no excuse for blowing the hind quarters off a deer with a 300 win mag and have to chase it all over timbuck two __________________ Molon Labe

January 15, 2012, 05:38 PM	#55
Major Dave (retired) Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2008 Location: Between Dallas and Shreveport, LA Posts: 569	Min/Max - coyote = .223/257 deer = .243/30-06 elk = .270/.338 griz = .338/.416 I consider lesser than stated mins would do the job, just not as reliably. Higher ratio of wounds, lower ratio of kills. Greater than stated max's would probably result in more misses, due to greater recoil/muzzle blast. If you don't hit the kill zone, it doesn't matter what diameter, velocity and/or bullet weight you are using. __________________ Artillery lends dignity to what would otherwise be but a vulgar brawl.

January 15, 2012, 08:11 PM	#56
Irish B Senior Member Join Date: October 10, 2010 Location: Colorado Posts: 359	For coyote probably .22lr min and 243 max For deer 243 min 308 max For elk 270 min 30-06 max For HUNTING grizzly 270 min 375 Max. For self defense grizz .454 cas min .416 w Max. Keeping in mind the #2 world record polar bear was taken with a .270. In an ideal grizzly hunt I'd be 75 yards away and the bear would have no knowledge of my presence. In that perfect situation I might chance using a .270 __________________ If a man hasn't found something worth dying for, he isn't fit to live

January 14, 2012, 10:56 PM	#52
BIG P Senior Member Join Date: July 8, 2010 Location: North Georgia Posts: 1,679	Coyote 17HMR.Big end anything I could end his days with. DEER-223 through 3ooWM. Elk-25-06 through 300WM GRIZZ- 30-06- 458 WM.

January 18, 2012, 07:26 AM	#57
Jack O'Conner Senior Member Join Date: July 11, 2005 Location: Manatee County, Florida Posts: 1,976	22 MAG: coyote .223 with 64 grain bullet: deer 35 Remington with 200 grain bullet: elk .308 with 200 grain Speer bonded bullet: grizzley Jack __________________ Fire up the grill! Deer hunting IS NOT catch and release. Last edited by Jack O'Conner; January 18, 2012 at 07:27 AM. Reason: spelling fixed

January 19, 2012, 01:12 AM	#58
buckfynn Member Join Date: March 23, 2010 Location: Central Idaho Posts: 95	Coyote 22lr - .243 Dear 22-250 - .308 Elk .243 - 300 win mag Wolf 22-250 - 300 win mag Never shot a Griz ? Black Bear .243 - .308

January 19, 2012, 02:32 AM	#60
Alaska444 Junior member Join Date: April 3, 2010 Posts: 1,231	Deer .444 Marlin Elk .444 Marlin Griz. .444 Marlin Coyote .444 Marlin Sorry, couldn't help myself. LOL

January 19, 2012, 04:13 AM	#61
Aaron1100us Senior Member Join Date: December 19, 2011 Posts: 235	.700 Nitro Express should take care.of anything. Sent from my PB99400 using Tapatalk

January 19, 2012, 11:29 AM	#62
12-34hom Senior Member Join Date: June 8, 1999 Location: Iowa - northeastern Posts: 1,810	coyote & deer - 243 or 6mm. Elk & bear - 300 Winchester mag. 12-34hom. __________________ This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend, it is my life. I must master itas i master my life.Without me my rifle is useless, without my rifle i am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I Will. Before God i swear this creed. My rifle and myself are defenders of my country. We are masters of our enemy. We are saviours of my life. So be it until there is no enemy, but peace. Amen.

January 19, 2012, 01:43 PM	#63
taylorce1 Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2005 Location: On the Santa Fe Trail Posts: 8,245	Small game I intend to eat - .22lr or .410 ga Varmints - .22 lr up to .375 Ruger Hogs - .223 up to .375 Ruger Pronghorn/Deer - 6x47 up to .375 Ruger Elk/Moose - 6.5X55 up to .375 Ruger Black Bear - .243 Win up to .375 Ruger Grizzly/Brown - .30-06 up to .375 Ruger All of the above except small game with a .50 caliber Muzzle Loader as well as compound bow. I've killed a lot of varmints with whatever rifle I was packing at the time, no reason to worry about what rifle is or isn't in hand when a target of oppotunitiy arises. I'd even use the .223 for Deer and Pronghorn were it legal where I hunt. .375 Ruger is the largest cartridge I shoot as of right now but there is no top end as far as I'm concerned for most hunting situations. __________________ NRA Life Member

January 19, 2012, 03:06 PM	#66
Wyoredman Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2011 Location: Wyoming Posts: 1,350	Coyotes: Minimum-.204 ruger, Maximum (in the Wyoming wind)-.325WSM! Deer: Min-.243 win (smallest legal in WY), Max- .325 WSM (for now) Elk: see "Deer" Moose: Min.-.270WSM, Max.- see "coyote" Grizz: Min.- .357 mag, Max.- see "coyote" Guess you know what guns I have in my collection! __________________ Go Pokes! Go Rams!

January 25, 2012, 12:23 AM	#68
rumrunner Member Join Date: January 7, 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 28	.338 Lapua I can't think of anything I couldn't hunt with that. in response to the statement about old timers using sub par rifles and bows I think this is due the fact that it was more about survival than hunting. If your life depends on putting meat on the table you will be slightly less worried about making a shot that will drop the animal right away, and more worried about just making it recoverable. with most hunters ethics is the concern over survival.