Blacks and gun control

MartyG · May 29, 2009, 02:23 AM

Not to re-open the thread I started earlier. Many fine points were made, and the board was shut down at the appropriate time.
But today I saw this video from the JPFO regarding the racist history of gun control, and the quagmire many blacks feel they are in regarding gun ownership.
This is not to spur another discussion, but to provide an insight for those who may be interested. As such, if the moderators feel the need to close this, I understand.

http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/ngn-download-view.htm

imthegrumpyone · May 29, 2009, 04:48 AM

All law abiding, and mentally compident citizens need to own and carry, for there own protection as well as there fellow man.

alloy · May 29, 2009, 06:14 AM

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the quagmire many blacks feel they are in regarding gun ownership

If they really feel like that about gun control, they should go down to the local gun store and throw some money on the counter. Problem solved.

maestro pistolero · May 29, 2009, 10:14 AM

Saw that yesterday. The vid is very well done and tells an important part of the story of gun control as it evolved in this country. It ugly business to be sure.

Harry Callahan · May 29, 2009, 03:00 PM

Really good. I hope you don't mind if I use it at another site.

MartyG · May 29, 2009, 03:12 PM

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If they really feel like that about gun control, they should go down to the local gun store and throw some money on the counter. Problem solved.

Easier said than done. Here in Kansas, or Texas, etc, it's not a problem. In Chicago it is virtually impossible. Watch the video.

Harry Callahan, sure, by all means share this. The JPFO site encourages wide distribution.

**Tom Servo** · May 29, 2009, 09:13 PM

He may not have been the first to make this point, but Clayton Cramer did a beautiful, thorough job of making this point in "The Racist Roots of Gun Control" back in the 1990's.

Required reading for anyone with an interest in furthering the cause of the 2nd Amendment.

M4Sherman · May 29, 2009, 11:14 PM

I love the info in the video but I do find the racial undertone is a little to strong.

maestro pistolero · May 30, 2009, 12:16 AM

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I love the info in the video but I do find the racial undertone is a little to strong.

But that's how it happened. As far as I'm concerned, this is the most under told history lesson in the country. There's simply no nice way to talk about the atrocities of the post Civil War South. Lessons forgotten are lessons bound to be repeated.

The history of gun control is also a wide bridge of common ground between the African American community, which often tends to lean pretty far left, and the traditional 2A crowd, which like it or not, is significantly comprised of white, male, right-leaning folks. And I know there are many exceptions, and that this is a broad generalization.

There is great strength and power in uniting normally disparate groups over a common issue. For better or worse, that's how prop 8 got passed in CA. African American voters came out in record numbers for Obama, and while in the voting booth, they helped pass a state constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. As liberal as CA is, there would not have been much chance for prop 8 without all the new voters. This is a powerful voting block that special interest groups ignore at their own peril.

I, for one, hope gun control's dirty little secret catches fire and becomes as common as flapjacks. The truth hurts, but sometimes the best way out of pain is straight through the middle of it.

Harry Callahan · May 30, 2009, 08:35 AM

Agreed. Couldn't have said it better, MP.

shortwave · May 30, 2009, 09:20 AM

+10 maestro. With that, everyone black and white needs to know the politicians past voting records on issue`s important to them BEFORE voting.

NJCSD · May 30, 2009, 01:59 PM

Gentlemen, we've posted this video on our YouTube account and on our main site. Unfortunately we had to segment the video into two segments because of YouTube constraints (10 minutes) but it's there nevertheless.

May 29, 2009, 02:23 AM	#1
MartyG Senior Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 130	Blacks and gun control Not to re-open the thread I started earlier. Many fine points were made, and the board was shut down at the appropriate time. But today I saw this video from the JPFO regarding the racist history of gun control, and the quagmire many blacks feel they are in regarding gun ownership. This is not to spur another discussion, but to provide an insight for those who may be interested. As such, if the moderators feel the need to close this, I understand. http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/ngn-download-view.htm

May 29, 2009, 04:48 AM	#2
imthegrumpyone Senior Member Join Date: July 3, 2007 Location: spring tx Posts: 1,037	All law abiding, and mentally compident citizens need to own and carry, for there own protection as well as there fellow man. __________________ chambered and unlocked

May 29, 2009, 03:00 PM	#5
Harry Callahan Senior Member Join Date: January 1, 2006 Location: Chicago suburbs Posts: 832	Really good. I hope you don't mind if I use it at another site. __________________ "Ah ah. I know what you're thinkin'. Did he fire 6 shots or only 5? To tell you the truth in all this excitement I've kind of lost track myself. But with this being a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off... you've got to ask yourself a question. Do I feel lucky? WELL DO YA, PUNK?!!!"- Harry Callahan(Dirty Harry)

May 29, 2009, 09:13 PM	#7
Tom Servo Staff Join Date: September 27, 2008 Location: Foothills of the Appalachians Posts: 13,059	He may not have been the first to make this point, but Clayton Cramer did a beautiful, thorough job of making this point in "The Racist Roots of Gun Control" back in the 1990's. Required reading for anyone with an interest in furthering the cause of the 2nd Amendment. __________________ Sometimes it’s nice not to destroy the world for a change. --Randall Munroe

May 30, 2009, 08:35 AM	#10
Harry Callahan Senior Member Join Date: January 1, 2006 Location: Chicago suburbs Posts: 832	Agreed. Couldn't have said it better, MP. __________________ "Ah ah. I know what you're thinkin'. Did he fire 6 shots or only 5? To tell you the truth in all this excitement I've kind of lost track myself. But with this being a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off... you've got to ask yourself a question. Do I feel lucky? WELL DO YA, PUNK?!!!"- Harry Callahan(Dirty Harry)

May 29, 2009, 10:14 AM	#4
maestro pistolero Senior Member Join Date: August 16, 2007 Posts: 2,153	Saw that yesterday. The vid is very well done and tells an important part of the story of gun control as it evolved in this country. It ugly business to be sure.

May 29, 2009, 11:14 PM	#8
M4Sherman Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2009 Posts: 408	I love the info in the video but I do find the racial undertone is a little to strong.

May 30, 2009, 09:20 AM	#11
shortwave Senior Member Join Date: December 17, 2007 Location: SOUTHEAST, OHIO Posts: 5,970	+10 maestro. With that, everyone black and white needs to know the politicians past voting records on issue`s important to them BEFORE voting.

May 30, 2009, 01:59 PM	#12
NJCSD Junior Member Join Date: May 26, 2009 Location: The Gulag Posts: 13	Gentlemen, we've posted this video on our YouTube account and on our main site. Unfortunately we had to segment the video into two segments because of YouTube constraints (10 minutes) but it's there nevertheless.