Blackpowder seriel #?

hknut · April 27, 2007, 03:01 PM

I am lookin at buying a TC Firehawk. My question is about registration. This gun has a seriel # on it. I thought black powder guns were not numbered, thus allowing you to buy thru the mail from stores like Cabalea's. Am I missing a change in the law? I don't want to break any laws here. What do I have to do?

PeteQuad · April 27, 2007, 03:29 PM

Most things you can buy have serial numbers these days. I don't think that has any bearing on whether it needs to be registered or not (I'm not familiar with your state laws).

Hafoc · April 27, 2007, 04:47 PM

I've bought BP guns through the mail from Cabela's, and everything I bought had serial numbers. The Civil War Colt and Remington revolvers had serial numbers. Pretty much anything factory-made, except some really cheap suicide specials, has had serial numbers for a LONG time, going back to the 19th Century.

Even if a black powder gun is not a firearm under Federal law, it still makes sense to give it a serial number for all the other reasons. Something to write down in your "valuables" book as a precaution in case of theft. Something to tell you whether a product recall or manufacturing problem applies to a gun you have or are considering. That kind of stuff.

hknut · April 27, 2007, 05:43 PM

Thank you for the quick reply and info.

jrfoxx · April 30, 2007, 07:55 AM

Also, unless something has changed since I moved to Oregon last year, there is no registartion of any guns in Washington state.

hknut · May 3, 2007, 05:15 PM

I just didn't want to buy it thru the mail and have some one nail me at the Post Office with a firearm.

Double J · May 7, 2007, 10:16 AM

Even though the Feds don't consider a muzzle loader a firearm, some states do. And in places like Illinois, each gun built has a number that the maker applies for the records. State by state varies. Personally, I hate to stamp my guns as I think it takes away the "oldness" look. But again, that number could help get a lost gun back too.

hknut · May 11, 2007, 07:13 PM

Black powder rifle on hold due to truck parts.

Xwingnut · May 11, 2007, 09:43 PM

Depending on the ignition system some muzzle loaders are considered Fire Arms.

Department Of The Treasury
Bureau Of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
NOTICE: INDUSTRY CIRCULAR
Number: 98-2 Date: 11-06-97
ATF has determined muzzle loading weapons with "in-line" firing mechanisms
designed or redesigned to use modern conventional firearm primers do not meet
the definition of antique firearms and are subject to regulation as a firearm.

April 27, 2007, 03:01 PM	#1
hknut Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2005 Location: Olympia, Wa. Posts: 535	Blackpowder seriel #? I am lookin at buying a TC Firehawk. My question is about registration. This gun has a seriel # on it. I thought black powder guns were not numbered, thus allowing you to buy thru the mail from stores like Cabalea's. Am I missing a change in the law? I don't want to break any laws here. What do I have to do? __________________ "Gun control is like trying to reduce Drunk Driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars" Walk softly and carry a big SIG.

April 27, 2007, 05:43 PM	#4
hknut Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2005 Location: Olympia, Wa. Posts: 535	Thank you for the quick reply and info. __________________ "Gun control is like trying to reduce Drunk Driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars" Walk softly and carry a big SIG.

April 30, 2007, 07:55 AM	#5
jrfoxx Senior Member Join Date: August 20, 2004 Location: Evanston,WY Posts: 898	Also, unless something has changed since I moved to Oregon last year, there is no registartion of any guns in Washington state. __________________ Q: How can I reduce the amount of mail I receive from the NRA? A: Simply email us at [email protected] or dial 800-NRA-3888 and request to be placed on the "Do Not Promote" list.

May 3, 2007, 05:15 PM	#6
hknut Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2005 Location: Olympia, Wa. Posts: 535	I just didn't want to buy it thru the mail and have some one nail me at the Post Office with a firearm. __________________ "Gun control is like trying to reduce Drunk Driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars" Walk softly and carry a big SIG.

May 7, 2007, 10:16 AM	#7
Double J Senior Member Join Date: February 12, 2007 Location: So. Illinois Posts: 547	Serial Numbers on BP Guns Even though the Feds don't consider a muzzle loader a firearm, some states do. And in places like Illinois, each gun built has a number that the maker applies for the records. State by state varies. Personally, I hate to stamp my guns as I think it takes away the "oldness" look. But again, that number could help get a lost gun back too.

April 27, 2007, 03:29 PM	#2
PeteQuad Senior Member Join Date: March 9, 2007 Posts: 198	Most things you can buy have serial numbers these days. I don't think that has any bearing on whether it needs to be registered or not (I'm not familiar with your state laws).

April 27, 2007, 04:47 PM	#3
Hafoc Senior Member Join Date: August 20, 2005 Posts: 552	I've bought BP guns through the mail from Cabela's, and everything I bought had serial numbers. The Civil War Colt and Remington revolvers had serial numbers. Pretty much anything factory-made, except some really cheap suicide specials, has had serial numbers for a LONG time, going back to the 19th Century. Even if a black powder gun is not a firearm under Federal law, it still makes sense to give it a serial number for all the other reasons. Something to write down in your "valuables" book as a precaution in case of theft. Something to tell you whether a product recall or manufacturing problem applies to a gun you have or are considering. That kind of stuff.

May 11, 2007, 07:13 PM	#8
hknut Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2005 Location: Olympia, Wa. Posts: 535	Black powder rifle on hold due to truck parts. __________________ "Gun control is like trying to reduce Drunk Driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars" Walk softly and carry a big SIG.

May 11, 2007, 09:43 PM	#9
Xwingnut Junior Member Join Date: May 11, 2007 Posts: 3	New Here, I post on Gunboards as Xwingnut Depending on the ignition system some muzzle loaders are considered Fire Arms. Department Of The Treasury Bureau Of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms NOTICE: INDUSTRY CIRCULAR Number: 98-2 Date: 11-06-97 ATF has determined muzzle loading weapons with "in-line" firing mechanisms designed or redesigned to use modern conventional firearm primers do not meet the definition of antique firearms and are subject to regulation as a firearm.