A really ugly shooting from Philly... - Page 3

Uncle Buck · April 28, 2011, 09:01 AM

Although the article referenced a difference shooting, if this is representative of the mindset of the PPD, it is one scary situation.

Deerhunter · April 28, 2011, 11:23 AM

I haven't had a chance to read every reply...however..

If I was carrying one of my guns into the house and someone came running at me, I would run into the house if the gun was not loaded. I think one thing that can be agreed upon is that this police officer was off duty, I am guessing and maybe I missed it but was no in uniform. So if I run into my house and he follows me in I am thinking as I believe a lot of people would that this is some nut wanting to rob me. Who knows if the guy with the unloaded pistol knew the off duty cop had a gun. Maybe the best thing he could come up with was to point it at the guy and hope that just having the gun the guy would leave. Either way.....cop or not come running at me and kick in my door and I will likely be shooting you. The cop should have announced himself as such. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't but if he didn't they should throw the book at the guy.

TailGator · April 28, 2011, 03:43 PM

It is difficult to discern what led up to the shooting, with conflicting reports about a dispute over a parking place and whether or not the civilian pointed a gun at the shooter. The one detail that stands out to me is and does not seem to be in dispute is that the shooter ran away after the shooting. That is not the way a LEO would act if he thought he was lawfully apprehending a criminal or a suspect.

My bet is that as we learn more about this situation, even if some of it is unflattering to Taylor, it is going to become apparent that the cop reacted with unjustified rage to something.

Casimer · April 28, 2011, 05:16 PM

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if this is representative of the mindset of the PPD, it is one scary situation.

I don't know how pervasive it is, but it's there. Here's an encounter that depicts the attitude pretty well - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-vUYeJXSrA

*NSFW, lots of swearing

The sergeant who is recorded at the beginning is like an old Philly cop, and the backup that arrives is the new Philly cop. Notice how the sergeant is trying to calm the other cops down.

JustThisGuy · May 11, 2011, 01:42 PM

It's still a pretty good argument for transporting guns in their gun cases.

If the gun was in his hand walking to the car, that's just not very smart. In many jurisdictions, Gun in hand = about to use.

It's a good idea to keep a gun holstered or in its case. Just my opinion.

Kodyo · May 11, 2011, 02:04 PM

Any idea of the outcome of the victims condition?
A quick google search yields nothing but what's already been said.

Glenn E. Meyer · May 11, 2011, 05:15 PM

We are going nowhere, so I'm closing it.

Deleted three posts that were just folks preaching a touch about cops.

Important points were made before that.

April 28, 2011, 09:01 AM	#51
Uncle Buck Senior Member Join Date: June 21, 2009 Location: West Central Missouri Posts: 2,592	Although the article referenced a difference shooting, if this is representative of the mindset of the PPD, it is one scary situation. __________________ Inside Every Bright Idea Is The 50% Probability Of A Disaster Waiting To Happen.

April 28, 2011, 11:23 AM	#52
Deerhunter Senior Member Join Date: April 15, 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 607	I haven't had a chance to read every reply...however.. If I was carrying one of my guns into the house and someone came running at me, I would run into the house if the gun was not loaded. I think one thing that can be agreed upon is that this police officer was off duty, I am guessing and maybe I missed it but was no in uniform. So if I run into my house and he follows me in I am thinking as I believe a lot of people would that this is some nut wanting to rob me. Who knows if the guy with the unloaded pistol knew the off duty cop had a gun. Maybe the best thing he could come up with was to point it at the guy and hope that just having the gun the guy would leave. Either way.....cop or not come running at me and kick in my door and I will likely be shooting you. The cop should have announced himself as such. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't but if he didn't they should throw the book at the guy. __________________ My idea of fast food is a mallard. -Ted Nugent

May 11, 2011, 01:42 PM	#55
JustThisGuy Senior Member Join Date: December 29, 2010 Posts: 311	It's still a pretty good argument for transporting guns in their gun cases. If the gun was in his hand walking to the car, that's just not very smart. In many jurisdictions, Gun in hand = about to use. It's a good idea to keep a gun holstered or in its case. Just my opinion. __________________ JustThisGuy Mediocrity dominates over excellence in all things... except excellence.

May 11, 2011, 05:15 PM	#57
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	We are going nowhere, so I'm closing it. Deleted three posts that were just folks preaching a touch about cops. Important points were made before that. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

April 28, 2011, 03:43 PM	#53
TailGator Senior Member Join Date: May 8, 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 3,787	It is difficult to discern what led up to the shooting, with conflicting reports about a dispute over a parking place and whether or not the civilian pointed a gun at the shooter. The one detail that stands out to me is and does not seem to be in dispute is that the shooter ran away after the shooting. That is not the way a LEO would act if he thought he was lawfully apprehending a criminal or a suspect. My bet is that as we learn more about this situation, even if some of it is unflattering to Taylor, it is going to become apparent that the cop reacted with unjustified rage to something.

May 11, 2011, 02:04 PM	#56
Kodyo Senior Member Join Date: February 6, 2011 Posts: 320	Any idea of the outcome of the victims condition? A quick google search yields nothing but what's already been said.