Montana Gold

Jack.Ruby · December 12, 2009, 02:43 PM

what are 9mm 121 grain IFP bullets from Montana gold?
Are they something Flat Point

think they would be ok for .357 Sig

**Unclenick** · December 12, 2009, 03:05 PM

No clue. It's not directly descriptive of the physical construction, so it may be something they made up when they didn't know how to categorize it? I saw a thread in which the same question was asked on The High Road forum along with a "what would you choose"? Many replies later with no answer to what an IFP is?

Best bet would be to call and ask MG what they mean? Let us know, if you get a satisfactory explanation?

Shoney · December 12, 2009, 03:28 PM

IFP = International Full Pro

Without a cannelure it may not hold in the 357 sig case.

The people at Montana Gold are wonderful to work with. Call or e-mail them and see what they say. They also may be able to put a cannelure on the bullet.

Randy 1911 · December 12, 2009, 04:00 PM

Shoney is right. It is listed on their website under bullet description.

Jack.Ruby · December 12, 2009, 07:27 PM

oh duhh, missed that

How is an International Full Pro bullet diffrent from a FMJ or JHP?

Thanks

Foxbat · December 12, 2009, 08:13 PM

They work great in .357 Sig, just make sure you use Lee Factory Crimp Die, it does extremely good job at holding it. There is no need for cannelure.

Waldog · December 13, 2009, 01:15 AM

They seem to be the same bullet as their 115 gr HP, EXCEPT is has 6 grs more lead so that is appears to be a soft point. In other words where the 115 gr has a HP, on the 121 gr., you clearly see lead "flush" with the tip of the bullet. Both bullets appeared to be shaped the same. I certainly can't verify my theory. I came to this conclusion by just looking. I didn't do any measurements.

Jack.Ruby · December 13, 2009, 10:04 AM

121 ifps have the same profile as the jhps. fmj bullets have exposed lead on the base and cmjs have an enclosure disc to encapuslate the lead.
all our 9mm bullets are too long in the nose to work for the sig. norm

^^answer from Montana Gold^^

sounds like Waldog is right.

atomictaco · December 14, 2009, 08:00 PM

I called them and asked about using their 9mm for 357Sig and vice versa and they said they would not work. They do make a bullet specifically for the 357 Sig though, just don't appear to have any stock at this time. I bought 1000 of their sig bullets and they work well.

Jack.Ruby · December 14, 2009, 10:44 PM

What is different about the sig bullet. And what is the price?

Swindler1 · December 14, 2009, 11:47 PM

I use there 121 IFP in my 357 sig reloads.The longer bearing service is what is needed for the sig round. The IFP looks to be the same as the Speer and Hornaday sig specific bullet. I use AA9 to help control bullet setback.

Jack.Ruby · December 15, 2009, 03:01 PM

why would they say not to use it? liability??

atomictaco · December 16, 2009, 10:34 PM

I have wondered the same thing, they wouldn't specify. At first I thought they may be too long, but the 125gr .355 357Sig specific bullets I have average about .530" in length versus .566" of the 155gr Rainiers .355 dia I have been loading for 9mm. I don't see why they wouldn't work but they were atimate they they shouldn't be used in a 9mm and their 9mm bullets not used in a 357 Sig. I have emailed them again asking for clarification and will let you know what they say.

atomictaco · December 18, 2009, 09:03 AM

Got a response back from Montana Gold:

"hi ryan, i think you will find the nose will be too wide to feed reliably in 9mm. norm
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:37 PM
Subject: 125 gr .355 dia 357 Sig bullets

A few months ago I purchased some .355 dia 125gr 357 Sig bullets from your company. I shoot a lot of 9mm and was wondering if there was any reason these bullets could not be loaded in 9mm?"

Tedbytes · February 9, 2019, 11:32 AM

I am an avid reloader and own many calibers to include the 380,9mm,357 sig in the .356- diameter category. My recent purchase of the above named MG 121 IFP shows promise as well in my beloved 357 SIG. As most reloaders realize, the 357 Sig is limited to a particular bullet length of NMT 1.140". I made a tool steel gauge that is exactly the thickness of the amount of bullet that sticks out of the end of a properly loaded 357 Sig round. This gauge thickness is .275 inches with an exact .3555" bore at the insert end of my gauge. If any amout of bullet(projectile only) is inserted in my gauge and sticks out the opposite end,that bullet is too long to use in the 357 Sig. The .3555" hole is where the bullet hits the beginning of its ogive. There should be enough purchase on the bullet base diameter for a decent taper crimp. This gauge saves a lot of headaches with trying to use too long an ogive bullet.

74A95 · February 9, 2019, 12:19 PM

Talk about reviving the dead. this thread is 10 years old.

December 12, 2009, 02:43 PM	#1
Jack.Ruby Member Join Date: December 9, 2009 Posts: 27	Montana Gold what are 9mm 121 grain IFP bullets from Montana gold? Are they something Flat Point think they would be ok for .357 Sig

December 12, 2009, 03:05 PM	#2
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,063	No clue. It's not directly descriptive of the physical construction, so it may be something they made up when they didn't know how to categorize it? I saw a thread in which the same question was asked on The High Road forum along with a "what would you choose"? Many replies later with no answer to what an IFP is? Best bet would be to call and ask MG what they mean? Let us know, if you get a satisfactory explanation? __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

December 12, 2009, 03:28 PM	#3
Shoney Senior Member Join Date: February 21, 2002 Location: Transplanted from Montana Posts: 2,311	IFP = International Full Pro Without a cannelure it may not hold in the 357 sig case. The people at Montana Gold are wonderful to work with. Call or e-mail them and see what they say. They also may be able to put a cannelure on the bullet. __________________ I pledge allegiance to the Flag - - -, and to the Republic for which it stands….Our Forefathers were brilliant for giving us a Republic, not a democracy! Do you know the difference??? and WHY?http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissue...les.asp?id=111 Last edited by Shoney; December 12, 2009 at 04:04 PM.

December 12, 2009, 04:00 PM	#4
Randy 1911 Senior Member Join Date: May 7, 2009 Location: Western Arkansas Posts: 273	Shoney is right. It is listed on their website under bullet description. __________________ Been Reloading 27 Years NRA Member Member Old Fort Gun Club www.ofgc.org

December 13, 2009, 01:15 AM	#7
Waldog Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 2007 Location: SOCAL Posts: 359	They seem to be the same bullet as their 115 gr HP, EXCEPT is has 6 grs more lead so that is appears to be a soft point. In other words where the 115 gr has a HP, on the 121 gr., you clearly see lead "flush" with the tip of the bullet. Both bullets appeared to be shaped the same. I certainly can't verify my theory. I came to this conclusion by just looking. I didn't do any measurements. __________________ I am the Christian Conservative that CNN warned you about!! “Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy.” Winston Churchill

December 12, 2009, 07:27 PM	#5
Jack.Ruby Member Join Date: December 9, 2009 Posts: 27	oh duhh, missed that How is an International Full Pro bullet diffrent from a FMJ or JHP? Thanks

December 12, 2009, 08:13 PM	#6
Foxbat Senior Member Join Date: January 13, 2008 Posts: 367	They work great in .357 Sig, just make sure you use Lee Factory Crimp Die, it does extremely good job at holding it. There is no need for cannelure.

December 13, 2009, 10:04 AM	#8
Jack.Ruby Member Join Date: December 9, 2009 Posts: 27	121 ifps have the same profile as the jhps. fmj bullets have exposed lead on the base and cmjs have an enclosure disc to encapuslate the lead. all our 9mm bullets are too long in the nose to work for the sig. norm ^^answer from Montana Gold^^ sounds like Waldog is right.

December 14, 2009, 08:00 PM	#9
atomictaco Member Join Date: January 27, 2006 Location: Oak Ridge, TN Posts: 18	I called them and asked about using their 9mm for 357Sig and vice versa and they said they would not work. They do make a bullet specifically for the 357 Sig though, just don't appear to have any stock at this time. I bought 1000 of their sig bullets and they work well.

December 14, 2009, 10:44 PM	#10
Jack.Ruby Member Join Date: December 9, 2009 Posts: 27	What is different about the sig bullet. And what is the price?

December 14, 2009, 11:47 PM	#11
Swindler1 Member Join Date: December 25, 2007 Posts: 38	I use there 121 IFP in my 357 sig reloads.The longer bearing service is what is needed for the sig round. The IFP looks to be the same as the Speer and Hornaday sig specific bullet. I use AA9 to help control bullet setback.

December 15, 2009, 03:01 PM	#12
Jack.Ruby Member Join Date: December 9, 2009 Posts: 27	why would they say not to use it? liability??

December 16, 2009, 10:34 PM	#13
atomictaco Member Join Date: January 27, 2006 Location: Oak Ridge, TN Posts: 18	I have wondered the same thing, they wouldn't specify. At first I thought they may be too long, but the 125gr .355 357Sig specific bullets I have average about .530" in length versus .566" of the 155gr Rainiers .355 dia I have been loading for 9mm. I don't see why they wouldn't work but they were atimate they they shouldn't be used in a 9mm and their 9mm bullets not used in a 357 Sig. I have emailed them again asking for clarification and will let you know what they say.

December 18, 2009, 09:03 AM	#14
atomictaco Member Join Date: January 27, 2006 Location: Oak Ridge, TN Posts: 18	Got a response back from Montana Gold: "hi ryan, i think you will find the nose will be too wide to feed reliably in 9mm. norm ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:37 PM Subject: 125 gr .355 dia 357 Sig bullets A few months ago I purchased some .355 dia 125gr 357 Sig bullets from your company. I shoot a lot of 9mm and was wondering if there was any reason these bullets could not be loaded in 9mm?"

February 9, 2019, 11:32 AM	#15
Tedbytes Junior Member Join Date: August 5, 2014 Posts: 8	Montana Gold 121 gn IFP bullet uses I am an avid reloader and own many calibers to include the 380,9mm,357 sig in the .356- diameter category. My recent purchase of the above named MG 121 IFP shows promise as well in my beloved 357 SIG. As most reloaders realize, the 357 Sig is limited to a particular bullet length of NMT 1.140". I made a tool steel gauge that is exactly the thickness of the amount of bullet that sticks out of the end of a properly loaded 357 Sig round. This gauge thickness is .275 inches with an exact .3555" bore at the insert end of my gauge. If any amout of bullet(projectile only) is inserted in my gauge and sticks out the opposite end,that bullet is too long to use in the 357 Sig. The .3555" hole is where the bullet hits the beginning of its ogive. There should be enough purchase on the bullet base diameter for a decent taper crimp. This gauge saves a lot of headaches with trying to use too long an ogive bullet.

February 9, 2019, 12:19 PM	#16
74A95 Senior Member Join Date: November 26, 2016 Posts: 1,568	Talk about reviving the dead. this thread is 10 years old.