A "No gun" world

8MM Mauser · December 31, 2014, 11:05 AM

The other day I was cruising facebook and I ran into a post from "Mom's Demand Action" which had been shared by The Truth About Guns. It was about how a certain gun grabber was hypocritically criticizing the NRA for blocking her from Twitter when this Gun-grabber site and many others routinely block or ban dissenters themselves.

I pointed out the hypocrisy of this in a comment and I was quickly answered by a MDA member with this comment:

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when you see kids being killed everyday there is no hypocrisy involved. Its just a matter of what some people see as common sense. The NRA thinks more guns is the answer we just think a no gun world is best.

A "no gun world is best." She said to me. Of course this ignores what a truly crappy world us humans had before guns existed; since it was the invention and proliferation of firearms that grew the size of armies and shrank the power of the nobility who were training in sword-fighting and horsemanship. It ignores that guns make it possible for citizens to be as well armed as their government. It ignores the fact that guns make it possible for the weak to defend against the strong.

It is just really, really an ignorant statement by a person who is raising the banner about an issue they literally know nothing about.

If history is any lesson, the world is a much better place with guns in it than it was before.

I won't even get into the ludicrousness of guns not existing at all. Good luck with that.

The rest of the discussion can be found here. Reading the comments from their members is chilling really.

KEYBEAR · December 31, 2014, 11:48 AM

All Rights are Guaranteed by the Constitution/Bill-of-Rights and Protected by firearms in the hands of the people .

**Tom Servo** · December 31, 2014, 12:30 PM

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The rest of the discussion can be found here. Reading the comments from their members is chilling really.

First off, I'm going to warn readers that there is a great deal of profanity at the link.

Second, those aren't NRA spokespeople. They're random people posting on an unmoderated service that doesn't verify identities or credentials. Search Twitter discussions on any hot-button issue and you'll find the same type of rancor.

Watts has done this before. She scoured a Twitter discussion, found a couple of random trolls, and made a big stink about how the NRA was waging a "war on women." It didn't work then, and it won't work now.

She's really overestimating the value of social media, which requires nothing more than a keyboard. She's underestimating an organization full of people who actually roll up their sleeves and do the work.

doofus47 · December 31, 2014, 01:28 PM

The post didn't say that MDA wanted to go to "pre-gun world"; they wanted "a no gun world."
I guess that's shorthand for saying "We want the moon." Or Mars, no guns found there yet. Or maybe Venus; since they are moms (at least in title).

8MM Mauser · December 31, 2014, 03:32 PM

The "Pre-gun" world is the only possible example we have to go on though.

I was being facetious of course. I just can't believe the tactics some of these folks will sink to nor can I believe the lack of connection with reality.

**Spats McGee** · December 31, 2014, 03:37 PM

If someone wants to argue for a world without guns, here's an excellent blog post on that very subject: A World Without Guns

8MM Mauser · January 1, 2015, 12:26 AM

Thanks Spats that was a really interesting read and something I was much less eloquently trying to get at.

**44 AMP** · January 1, 2015, 08:10 AM

One might remind the "no gun world" people that means police don't have guns, either.

You might also point out to them that we've spent a couple thousand years trying to raise man above the rule of the jungle, where the strongest do as they please with none to stop them. A "no gun" world would put us back there, pretty quick.

OR, you might point out that there is already a "no gun world", and they can find them in every place. Those no gun places have bars to keep the people in them from getting out. (there are, after all, no guns in prisons, for the inmates, anyway, and look at how safe and comfortable those places are!)

Happy New Year everyone!

Glenn E. Meyer · January 1, 2015, 01:15 PM

There are estimates that in earlier times (prehistoric), that one in five folks died from violence. Not that high today!

Brit · January 1, 2015, 01:59 PM

And we don't eat our combatants! Me personally do not just see firearms as my one tool between me, and the bad guys.

I like guns! Have done since I was a little boy. When we first got a TV, black and white, 12" screen, in Liverpool UK, Roy Rogers, Hop-along Cassidy, Gene Autrey, all on horseback, big six-guns on their hips, I was hooked.

Please excuse any spelling mistakes on those old idols of my youth.

As an old guy (79) and once was quite a scrapper, I could fight, and did, a lot!
As a kid we could not afford toys!

Confronted by a large teenager, I could still guarantee one good hit, or kick!

One, maybe two, then game over. With my Wife with me, not happening, I have a Glock 19, and can use it. No gun, no ability to protect both of us, against an extreme violent episode, a 9 mm, 16 round capacity pistol is not the answer to all, but it is not bad! Beats a sharp stick.

barnbwt · January 2, 2015, 06:46 PM

A 'no gun' world run by MDA'ers in urban enclaves sounds suspiciously like Zardoz. Don't nobody want to live in that

TCB

SC4006 · January 3, 2015, 12:27 AM

First thing I though of is "God created man. Sam Colt made them equal".

I agree with 44 AMP. With guns, our power and abilities as individuals are no longer just based on physical size, or some sort of skill or attribute one possesses.

Guns are extremely powerful tools that are relatively simple to use, even for those with minimal or no training.

CWKahrFan · January 3, 2015, 12:58 AM

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... "there are, after all, no guns in prisons, for the inmates, anyway, and look at how safe and comfortable those places are!...

It's a great point 44 Amp... 'Cept I'm figuring there's a horde of Pollyannas out in the general public who would read that exclamation and completely miss the irony!

Andy Blozinski · January 3, 2015, 12:18 PM

This is stage 2:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7508404.stm

Banning pointy knives.

**Tom Servo** · January 3, 2015, 06:29 PM

Actually, it's snowballed past that in the UK. A few years ago, there was legislation to ban glass beer bottles because people were gouging each other with them.

JERRYS. · January 3, 2015, 06:32 PM

when there was a no gun world millions of people still died, by the sword.

Glenn E. Meyer · January 4, 2015, 03:41 PM

The UK has gone ban crazy. The latest ban is so ridiculous but of a subject matter than we won't discuss here. It caused a hilarious demonstration outside of Parliament.

If you do find it - DO NOT post the topic here but it gives you a feel for the UK's lack of basic rights.

I saw it on some news sites quite by accident.

Baba Louie · January 5, 2015, 09:19 PM

See David v. Goliath (dang rockchuckers anyway)

Andy Blozinski · January 5, 2015, 09:52 PM

Oh yeah, Glenn...I saw that too! Not the kind of topic we want to posted here.

22-rimfire · January 6, 2015, 11:45 AM

A "no gun world" is a fantasy. If confiscation occurred, only the criminals would have guns and they are willing to use them for their own purposes. As a result nothing changes that makes any sense regardless of what the Bloomburg funded MDA thinks.

davem · January 6, 2015, 12:09 PM

44AMP has a good point. If the second amendment gets thrown away on the basis it only referred to a militia that Congress disbanded in 1903 then NO ONE including local police have a "right" to be armed. The federal Government could simply impose a ban on all guns. We might end up with a federal police force.

kraigwy · January 6, 2015, 12:19 PM

I wonder what a 100 lb. lady facing a 200 lb. rapist thinks of a no gun world.

Or a 94 year old vet in a walker facing two or three street thugs think of a no gun world.

TXAZ · January 6, 2015, 07:11 PM

NEWS FLASH: ISIS and AQAP both support the U.S. goal to become "no gun" entity.

In 1995 in Saudi Arabia, when asked about an ideal world, one then associate of Osama bin Laden said they wanted to go back and live as Mohamed did in the 7th century under Mohammaden / Sharia law: no drugs (of any kind), cars, nothing from the 20th century.

When asked how they would keep order, he said with an incredulous look, with our AK-47's of course.

They're not giving up theirs, neither am I. MDA, where do you think this is going?

Crankgrinder · January 6, 2015, 09:16 PM

Many of us know that violence cannot be legislated away, and the UK is proving it.

8MM Mauser · January 6, 2015, 09:19 PM

You've all said it so well.

I find the David vs. Goliath mention interesting.

David wasn't going to wrestle that big guy to the ground.

December 31, 2014, 01:28 PM	#4
doofus47 Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2010 Location: live in a in a house when i'm not in a tent Posts: 2,483	Well, to be fair The post didn't say that MDA wanted to go to "pre-gun world"; they wanted "a no gun world." I guess that's shorthand for saying "We want the moon." Or Mars, no guns found there yet. Or maybe Venus; since they are moms (at least in title). __________________ I'm right about the metric system 3/4 of the time. Last edited by doofus47; December 31, 2014 at 01:29 PM. Reason: lacking punctuation.

December 31, 2014, 03:37 PM	#6
Spats McGee Staff Join Date: July 28, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 8,821	If someone wants to argue for a world without guns, here's an excellent blog post on that very subject: A World Without Guns __________________ I'm a lawyer, but I'm not your lawyer. If you need some honest-to-goodness legal advice, go buy some.

January 1, 2015, 08:10 AM	#8
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,817	One might remind the "no gun world" people that means police don't have guns, either. You might also point out to them that we've spent a couple thousand years trying to raise man above the rule of the jungle, where the strongest do as they please with none to stop them. A "no gun" world would put us back there, pretty quick. OR, you might point out that there is already a "no gun world", and they can find them in every place. Those no gun places have bars to keep the people in them from getting out. (there are, after all, no guns in prisons, for the inmates, anyway, and look at how safe and comfortable those places are!) Happy New Year everyone! __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

January 1, 2015, 01:15 PM	#9
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	There are estimates that in earlier times (prehistoric), that one in five folks died from violence. Not that high today! __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

January 2, 2015, 06:46 PM	#11
barnbwt Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2012 Posts: 1,085	A 'no gun' world run by MDA'ers in urban enclaves sounds suspiciously like Zardoz. Don't nobody want to live in that TCB __________________ "I don't believe that the men of the distant past were any wiser than we are today. But it does seem that their science and technology were able to accomplish much grander things." -- Alex Rosewater

December 31, 2014, 11:48 AM	#2
KEYBEAR Senior Member Join Date: January 11, 2012 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,059	All Rights are Guaranteed by the Constitution/Bill-of-Rights and Protected by firearms in the hands of the people .

December 31, 2014, 03:32 PM	#5
8MM Mauser Senior Member Join Date: October 16, 2011 Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan Posts: 647	The "Pre-gun" world is the only possible example we have to go on though. I was being facetious of course. I just can't believe the tactics some of these folks will sink to nor can I believe the lack of connection with reality.

January 1, 2015, 12:26 AM	#7
8MM Mauser Senior Member Join Date: October 16, 2011 Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan Posts: 647	Thanks Spats that was a really interesting read and something I was much less eloquently trying to get at.

January 1, 2015, 01:59 PM	#10
Brit Senior Member Join Date: January 29, 2005 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 1,934	And we don't eat our combatants! Me personally do not just see firearms as my one tool between me, and the bad guys. I like guns! Have done since I was a little boy. When we first got a TV, black and white, 12" screen, in Liverpool UK, Roy Rogers, Hop-along Cassidy, Gene Autrey, all on horseback, big six-guns on their hips, I was hooked. Please excuse any spelling mistakes on those old idols of my youth. As an old guy (79) and once was quite a scrapper, I could fight, and did, a lot! As a kid we could not afford toys! Confronted by a large teenager, I could still guarantee one good hit, or kick! One, maybe two, then game over. With my Wife with me, not happening, I have a Glock 19, and can use it. No gun, no ability to protect both of us, against an extreme violent episode, a 9 mm, 16 round capacity pistol is not the answer to all, but it is not bad! Beats a sharp stick.

January 3, 2015, 12:27 AM	#12
SC4006 Senior Member Join Date: June 27, 2012 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 525	First thing I though of is "God created man. Sam Colt made them equal". I agree with 44 AMP. With guns, our power and abilities as individuals are no longer just based on physical size, or some sort of skill or attribute one possesses. Guns are extremely powerful tools that are relatively simple to use, even for those with minimal or no training. __________________ I don't always go to the range, but when I do, I prefer dosAKs. They say 5 out of 4 people are bad at math.

January 3, 2015, 12:18 PM	#14
Andy Blozinski Senior Member Join Date: August 31, 2013 Posts: 525	This is stage 2: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7508404.stm Banning pointy knives.

January 3, 2015, 06:29 PM	#15
Tom Servo Staff Join Date: September 27, 2008 Location: Foothills of the Appalachians Posts: 13,059	Actually, it's snowballed past that in the UK. A few years ago, there was legislation to ban glass beer bottles because people were gouging each other with them. __________________ Sometimes it’s nice not to destroy the world for a change. --Randall Munroe

January 3, 2015, 06:32 PM	#16
JERRYS. Senior Member Join Date: September 23, 2013 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,968	when there was a no gun world millions of people still died, by the sword.

January 4, 2015, 03:41 PM	#17
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	The UK has gone ban crazy. The latest ban is so ridiculous but of a subject matter than we won't discuss here. It caused a hilarious demonstration outside of Parliament. If you do find it - DO NOT post the topic here but it gives you a feel for the UK's lack of basic rights. I saw it on some news sites quite by accident. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

January 5, 2015, 09:19 PM	#18
Baba Louie Senior Member Join Date: September 23, 2001 Posts: 1,552	See David v. Goliath (dang rockchuckers anyway) __________________ A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." - George Washington, January 8, 1790, First State of the Union Address

January 5, 2015, 09:52 PM	#19
Andy Blozinski Senior Member Join Date: August 31, 2013 Posts: 525	Oh yeah, Glenn...I saw that too! Not the kind of topic we want to posted here.

January 6, 2015, 11:45 AM	#20
22-rimfire Senior Member Join Date: February 19, 2005 Location: Tennessee Posts: 5,323	A "no gun world" is a fantasy. If confiscation occurred, only the criminals would have guns and they are willing to use them for their own purposes. As a result nothing changes that makes any sense regardless of what the Bloomburg funded MDA thinks.

January 6, 2015, 12:09 PM	#21
davem Junior member Join Date: October 4, 2004 Posts: 458	44AMP has a good point. If the second amendment gets thrown away on the basis it only referred to a militia that Congress disbanded in 1903 then NO ONE including local police have a "right" to be armed. The federal Government could simply impose a ban on all guns. We might end up with a federal police force.

January 6, 2015, 12:19 PM	#22
kraigwy Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2008 Location: Wyoming Posts: 11,061	I wonder what a 100 lb. lady facing a 200 lb. rapist thinks of a no gun world. Or a 94 year old vet in a walker facing two or three street thugs think of a no gun world. __________________ Kraig Stuart CPT USAR Ret USAMU Sniper School Distinguished Rifle Badge 1071

January 6, 2015, 07:11 PM	#23
TXAZ Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 2010 Location: McMurdo Sound Texas Posts: 4,322	NEWS FLASH!!! NEWS FLASH: ISIS and AQAP both support the U.S. goal to become "no gun" entity. In 1995 in Saudi Arabia, when asked about an ideal world, one then associate of Osama bin Laden said they wanted to go back and live as Mohamed did in the 7th century under Mohammaden / Sharia law: no drugs (of any kind), cars, nothing from the 20th century. When asked how they would keep order, he said with an incredulous look, with our AK-47's of course. They're not giving up theirs, neither am I. MDA, where do you think this is going? __________________ Cave illos in guns et backhoes

January 6, 2015, 09:16 PM	#24
Crankgrinder Senior Member Join Date: July 24, 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 917	Many of us know that violence cannot be legislated away, and the UK is proving it.

January 6, 2015, 09:19 PM	#25
8MM Mauser Senior Member Join Date: October 16, 2011 Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan Posts: 647	You've all said it so well. I find the David vs. Goliath mention interesting. David wasn't going to wrestle that big guy to the ground.