56.cal thompson renagade max load???

jaymag · January 7, 2009, 03:00 PM

My friend is going hunting for turkey and other birds.He does not have a F.I.D. card.I suggested the most powder.To take far shots at wings or heads.I told him 100gr. of triple seven is the most I would go.That's like shooting 120gr.of other powders.But does anyone know the max load.I would probley call thomson,just to make sure.

Pahoo · January 7, 2009, 04:15 PM

Hi Jaymag,
I'm thinking you are talking about a .50 or 54 as they did not make a .56. You really have to be careful when dealing with max loads. My T.C. Hawken models list a max load of BP at 120 grns. For 777 I would reduce by 15%. I seldom go to max loads on anything except when I go out west, and never in my side cockers. I would recommend you go ahead and phone T.C. tech support.

Triple Seven is a high energy product designed to provide the muzzleloading hunter with higher velocities when used in the same VOLUME as blackpowder. To duplicate a blackpowder load velocity using Triple Seven, you must decrease the powder charge by 15%.

Be Safe !!!

eastbank · January 7, 2009, 06:07 PM

TC did or does make a 56 cal smooth bore shotgun. eastbank.

jaymag · January 7, 2009, 06:10 PM

Yes they do make 56cal. thomson reagade.I"ve personally owned one.Along with several peaple I know.They really never sold better than the 50cal.They are not as common.But I assure you they are out there.Nice shooting gun out 50yrd. for a smooth bore.They shot tokoa mountain balls really well.I don't beleive you can buy them anymore.

Pahoo · January 7, 2009, 07:57 PM

WOW,

That one snuck up on me. I thought we were talking about a Renegade rifle. Have to admit that I have never seen or even heard of one. Thanks for the education. I'm going to have to do a little research. I understand now that we are talking about a smooth bore or what I call a musket.

Be Safe !!!!

Jim Watson · January 7, 2009, 08:02 PM

It's not a shotgun, it is what the collectors call, for lack of a better term, a "smoothbore rifle." There is one state whose game laws define a "primitive weapon" as a smoothbore. So TC accomodated the market with a .56 to fire a patched ball.

arcticap · January 8, 2009, 03:19 AM

Here's the TC Sidelock manual.

http://www.tcarms.com/assets/manuals...owder_Guns.pdf

The .56 Renegade loads are listed on pages 76 & 77.
The maximum loads are listed as 120 grains for both the .54 & .58, but only 100 grains for the .56 with a PRB, and 80 grains when loaded with 7/8's oz. of shot.
The .56 maximum loads do seem to be a little extra precautionary.

darkgael · January 8, 2009, 05:59 AM

Though most often used to describe flintlocks, the term "fowler", "fowling gun", "fowling piece" is a common term for for smoothbores of this type.
Traditional fowlers commonly had barrels of 42" or more. I have one with a barrel of that length in .62 (20ga) by Matt Avance of Tennessee Valley MLing. I also have a .54 cal (28ga) smoothbore barrel for my Lyman GPR flinter, making it a short barreled fowler. The Lyman with a tightly patched PRB and 70 grs. of fffg shoots like a rifle at 50 yards.
The lower powder charge for the smoothbore shot load makes sense to me as heavier charges blow the shot pattern, at least in my guns.
Think in terms of drams. A normal 12 ga. BP shotgun loading was about 3 drams of ffg, about 83 grains. For a 20...less. For a 24 or 28, still less. 60 grains is a good place to start with 3/4 to one ounce of shot. A good place for more info is the smoothbore forum at the traditional ML site http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/index.php.
Pete

January 7, 2009, 03:00 PM	#1
jaymag Senior Member Join Date: October 4, 2005 Location: springfield,MA Posts: 239	56.cal thompson renagade max load??? My friend is going hunting for turkey and other birds.He does not have a F.I.D. card.I suggested the most powder.To take far shots at wings or heads.I told him 100gr. of triple seven is the most I would go.That's like shooting 120gr.of other powders.But does anyone know the max load.I would probley call thomson,just to make sure.

January 7, 2009, 06:10 PM	#4
jaymag Senior Member Join Date: October 4, 2005 Location: springfield,MA Posts: 239	Pahoo!56CAL! Yes they do make 56cal. thomson reagade.I"ve personally owned one.Along with several peaple I know.They really never sold better than the 50cal.They are not as common.But I assure you they are out there.Nice shooting gun out 50yrd. for a smooth bore.They shot tokoa mountain balls really well.I don't beleive you can buy them anymore.

January 7, 2009, 07:57 PM	#5
Pahoo Senior Member Join Date: February 16, 2006 Location: IOWA Posts: 8,783	WOW, That one snuck up on me. I thought we were talking about a Renegade rifle. Have to admit that I have never seen or even heard of one. Thanks for the education. I'm going to have to do a little research. I understand now that we are talking about a smooth bore or what I call a musket. Be Safe !!!! Last edited by Pahoo; January 8, 2009 at 09:54 AM. Reason: Correction info

January 8, 2009, 05:59 AM	#8
darkgael Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2006 Location: Homes in Brooklyn, NY and in Pennsylvania. Posts: 5,473	fowler Though most often used to describe flintlocks, the term "fowler", "fowling gun", "fowling piece" is a common term for for smoothbores of this type. Traditional fowlers commonly had barrels of 42" or more. I have one with a barrel of that length in .62 (20ga) by Matt Avance of Tennessee Valley MLing. I also have a .54 cal (28ga) smoothbore barrel for my Lyman GPR flinter, making it a short barreled fowler. The Lyman with a tightly patched PRB and 70 grs. of fffg shoots like a rifle at 50 yards. The lower powder charge for the smoothbore shot load makes sense to me as heavier charges blow the shot pattern, at least in my guns. Think in terms of drams. A normal 12 ga. BP shotgun loading was about 3 drams of ffg, about 83 grains. For a 20...less. For a 24 or 28, still less. 60 grains is a good place to start with 3/4 to one ounce of shot. A good place for more info is the smoothbore forum at the traditional ML site http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/index.php. Pete __________________ “Auto racing, bull fighting, and mountain climbing are the only real sports ... all others are games.” Ernest Hemingway ... NRA Life Member

January 7, 2009, 04:15 PM	#2
Pahoo Senior Member Join Date: February 16, 2006 Location: IOWA Posts: 8,783	Hi Jaymag, I'm thinking you are talking about a .50 or 54 as they did not make a .56. You really have to be careful when dealing with max loads. My T.C. Hawken models list a max load of BP at 120 grns. For 777 I would reduce by 15%. I seldom go to max loads on anything except when I go out west, and never in my side cockers. I would recommend you go ahead and phone T.C. tech support. Triple Seven is a high energy product designed to provide the muzzleloading hunter with higher velocities when used in the same VOLUME as blackpowder. To duplicate a blackpowder load velocity using Triple Seven, you must decrease the powder charge by 15%. Be Safe !!!

January 7, 2009, 06:07 PM	#3
eastbank Senior Member Join Date: February 7, 2008 Location: pa. Posts: 2,450	TC did or does make a 56 cal smooth bore shotgun. eastbank.

January 7, 2009, 08:02 PM	#6
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,539	It's not a shotgun, it is what the collectors call, for lack of a better term, a "smoothbore rifle." There is one state whose game laws define a "primitive weapon" as a smoothbore. So TC accomodated the market with a .56 to fire a patched ball.

January 8, 2009, 03:19 AM	#7
arcticap Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2005 Location: Central Connecticut Posts: 3,166	Here's the TC Sidelock manual. http://www.tcarms.com/assets/manuals...owder_Guns.pdf The .56 Renegade loads are listed on pages 76 & 77. The maximum loads are listed as 120 grains for both the .54 & .58, but only 100 grains for the .56 with a PRB, and 80 grains when loaded with 7/8's oz. of shot. The .56 maximum loads do seem to be a little extra precautionary.