PPC - origin meaning ???

Lotzinger · July 14, 2002, 07:04 AM

what about the origin meaning of "PPC"

in the internet there are several meanings and i would the original one ...

Jim Watson · July 14, 2002, 09:03 AM

To a pistol shooter, PPC stands for Practical Pistol Course, the course of fire developed by the FBI in the 1930s for training and still in use for qualification and competition.
It is now often known as Police Pistol Competition since the course of fire is no longer considered realistic enough for training purposes, but that is a much more recent term.

To a rifle shooter, PPC stands for Pindell-Palmisano Cartridge, the .22 and 6mm rounds those men developed for benchrest shooting.

braindead0 · July 15, 2002, 07:07 AM

I'm kinda curious too, there's a range where I just shot IDPA (first shoot) and several of the folks there suggested shooting PPC. The range has a flyer, and it says PPC means Practical Pistol Competition...

fed168 · July 15, 2002, 08:51 AM

I guess now it is a fancy version of bullseye. I think it is fun to shoot, at least it works on the marksmanship skills.

braindead0 · July 15, 2002, 09:12 AM

Is there a website with rules or something? When I try searching, I end up with IPSC/IDPA and others....

Lotzinger · July 15, 2002, 11:23 AM

i thoght it was practical police course, too, but i saw different versions. thanks. all the versions here in TFL still make sense, so everybody should choose his favorite one.

i am performing ppc here in germany, but we only name it "1500".

braindead0,
try www.wa1500.org for some information ...

Jim Watson · July 15, 2002, 02:48 PM

I stand by "Practical Pistol Course" as the ORIGINAL term described by Paul B. Weston, who was an active shooter in the '30s and saw it developed. It got to the standard 1500 format in 1959. But William C. Joyner, the 1970 champion, called it the "Practical Police Course." NRA runs most of it now and calls it "Police Pistol Combat" and admits only law enforcement officers.

Th Ohio organization has CoF descriptions and illustrations at:
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/A...351/index.html

NRA will sell you a rule book for $2.50 but does not have it online.

There are several different events for different guns. Match (heavy barrels, ribs, three-position sights, etc.), Distinguished (factory barrel and sights), and Service (fixed sights). with separate events for revolvers and autos. At the Nationals there will also be a Duty gun match, with guns and ammo issued on the firing line. Tradtitionally those are 4" fixed sight .38s.
My PPC contact says you would need to take six guns to enter all major events at the Nationals these days. He shoots a Schmitt heavy barreled S&W M10, an M52, an M14, an M581, a Ruger 95, and is looking for a Distinguished auto to replace his Gold Cup because he cannot make it or any 1911 shoot.
Big matches will have a riot gun event, and backup gun sidematches, too.

fed168 · July 15, 2002, 03:35 PM

Briandead0, try this one for rules, courses of fire, etc:
www.ncpolicepistolleague.com.

braindead0 · July 15, 2002, 03:42 PM

Interesting info, sounds like PPC has been used by a lot of people to mean sorta the same kinda thing... Ugh.

Mike Davies · July 15, 2002, 05:56 PM

The most common "official" meaning of PPC that I've seen in Canada is "Police Pistol Combat". I used to think it meant "Police Pistol Competition", however, and that seems to be used a lot amongst competition shooters from other disciplines.
For example:
http://www.colwoodppc.com/index2.htm[/URL]

July 14, 2002, 07:04 AM	#1
Lotzinger Member Join Date: July 17, 2001 Location: Germany, Europe Posts: 49	PPC - origin meaning ??? what about the origin meaning of "PPC" in the internet there are several meanings and i would the original one ...

July 15, 2002, 07:07 AM	#3
braindead0 Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 2002 Location: Canton, Oh Posts: 896	I'm kinda curious too, there's a range where I just shot IDPA (first shoot) and several of the folks there suggested shooting PPC. The range has a flyer, and it says PPC means Practical Pistol Competition... __________________ DoD# 2223 Meum scapha volitare plenum anguillae

July 15, 2002, 09:12 AM	#5
braindead0 Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 2002 Location: Canton, Oh Posts: 896	Is there a website with rules or something? When I try searching, I end up with IPSC/IDPA and others.... __________________ DoD# 2223 Meum scapha volitare plenum anguillae

July 15, 2002, 03:42 PM	#9
braindead0 Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 2002 Location: Canton, Oh Posts: 896	Interesting info, sounds like PPC has been used by a lot of people to mean sorta the same kinda thing... Ugh. __________________ DoD# 2223 Meum scapha volitare plenum anguillae

July 14, 2002, 09:03 AM	#2
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,542	To a pistol shooter, PPC stands for Practical Pistol Course, the course of fire developed by the FBI in the 1930s for training and still in use for qualification and competition. It is now often known as Police Pistol Competition since the course of fire is no longer considered realistic enough for training purposes, but that is a much more recent term. To a rifle shooter, PPC stands for Pindell-Palmisano Cartridge, the .22 and 6mm rounds those men developed for benchrest shooting.

July 15, 2002, 08:51 AM	#4
fed168 Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2000 Posts: 1,040	I guess now it is a fancy version of bullseye. I think it is fun to shoot, at least it works on the marksmanship skills.

July 15, 2002, 11:23 AM	#6
Lotzinger Member Join Date: July 17, 2001 Location: Germany, Europe Posts: 49	i thoght it was practical police course, too, but i saw different versions. thanks. all the versions here in TFL still make sense, so everybody should choose his favorite one. i am performing ppc here in germany, but we only name it "1500". braindead0, try www.wa1500.org for some information ...

July 15, 2002, 02:48 PM	#7
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,542	I stand by "Practical Pistol Course" as the ORIGINAL term described by Paul B. Weston, who was an active shooter in the '30s and saw it developed. It got to the standard 1500 format in 1959. But William C. Joyner, the 1970 champion, called it the "Practical Police Course." NRA runs most of it now and calls it "Police Pistol Combat" and admits only law enforcement officers. Th Ohio organization has CoF descriptions and illustrations at: http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/A...351/index.html NRA will sell you a rule book for $2.50 but does not have it online. There are several different events for different guns. Match (heavy barrels, ribs, three-position sights, etc.), Distinguished (factory barrel and sights), and Service (fixed sights). with separate events for revolvers and autos. At the Nationals there will also be a Duty gun match, with guns and ammo issued on the firing line. Tradtitionally those are 4" fixed sight .38s. My PPC contact says you would need to take six guns to enter all major events at the Nationals these days. He shoots a Schmitt heavy barreled S&W M10, an M52, an M14, an M581, a Ruger 95, and is looking for a Distinguished auto to replace his Gold Cup because he cannot make it or any 1911 shoot. Big matches will have a riot gun event, and backup gun sidematches, too.

July 15, 2002, 03:35 PM	#8
fed168 Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2000 Posts: 1,040	Briandead0, try this one for rules, courses of fire, etc: www.ncpolicepistolleague.com.

July 15, 2002, 05:56 PM	#10
Mike Davies Senior Member Join Date: April 8, 2000 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 376	The most common "official" meaning of PPC that I've seen in Canada is "Police Pistol Combat". I used to think it meant "Police Pistol Competition", however, and that seems to be used a lot amongst competition shooters from other disciplines. For example: http://www.colwoodppc.com/index2.htm[/URL]