7 shot mag tube, plugged to 5. Is this legal?

Icopy · June 16, 2000, 07:56 AM

Guys --
I have a HK/Benelli M1S90 with the pistol grip/shoudler stock. I know that installing 7 round mag tube is illegal on the post ban auto loader. But if I was to use a limiter to keep to it five rounds, would it be legal? I really like to the look of the full mag tube.

[This message has been edited by Icopy (edited June 16, 2000).]

B Shipley · June 16, 2000, 01:04 PM

I think not. That would be too intelligent for the government to ever allow (like a ban on mag cap. stops crime?).

June 16, 2000, 02:30 PM

Is this some state law? I have never heard of a ban on extended mag tubes for shotguns. Fill me in?

B Shipley · June 16, 2000, 02:54 PM

Pistol grip stocked semi w/ more than 5 in the tube = BAD

Non pistol-grip semi w/ more than 5 in the tube = GOOD

Per the 1994 revision of the GCA of '68

Kevlarman · June 16, 2000, 02:55 PM

Well, if he \b{didn't} have the pistol grip on the gun, it would be legal to have the extended mag tube (at least here in California). However, if a semi-automatic shotgun has a mag capacity of more than 5 ruonds and it has a pistol grip, it's illegal.

June 16, 2000, 04:16 PM

Well that's just stupid. Of course that is a redundant statement, it's a gun law.

Icopy · June 17, 2000, 01:10 PM

I know that as long as my M1S90 has the pistol grip stock, more than five rounds is illegal. But if I was to plug the 7 round mag tube to five rounds, then it would have the look of the 7 rounder, but only hold 5 rounds. Guess I'm calling the BATF in the morning.

B Shipley · June 17, 2000, 02:15 PM

The criteria is not easily modified, so you could unscrew the tube and pull the plug, hence easily modified. But, in a little more time, you could unscrew the buttstock and switch it to a non-PG config., so I don't get the ATF's point.

I suggest getting both buttstocks and switching as one sees fit. I could be all wet here, but these aren't any harder to change than a Remington are they (10 minutes work)?

Monkeyleg · June 19, 2000, 10:25 AM

I want to do the same thing. Called ATF and they had to transfer me to an inspector. She didn't know, so she called Washington. They said that I should write them a letter telling them what I intend to do, and they would make a determination as to whether I
"can" do it.

I don't think so.

Dick

p l i n k e r · June 19, 2000, 01:16 PM

If the plug is 'permanent', there shouldn't be a problem.

Monkeyleg · July 1, 2000, 10:59 AM

I think I may have arrived at a solution. Cut the three-round limiter rod to two rounds, and use a bit of the "liquid weld" stuff advertised on Paul Harvey's show. That should make it permanent enough, and still allow five shells. Maybe I'll run it past the head guy at our ATF office here. He's pretty friendly to gun owners, and I doubt he'd arrest me...for now, anyway.

Dick
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June 16, 2000, 07:56 AM	#1
Icopy Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2000 Posts: 340	Guys -- I have a HK/Benelli M1S90 with the pistol grip/shoudler stock. I know that installing 7 round mag tube is illegal on the post ban auto loader. But if I was to use a limiter to keep to it five rounds, would it be legal? I really like to the look of the full mag tube. [This message has been edited by Icopy (edited June 16, 2000).]

June 16, 2000, 01:04 PM	#2
B Shipley Senior Member Join Date: December 25, 1998 Posts: 719	I think not. That would be too intelligent for the government to ever allow (like a ban on mag cap. stops crime?).

June 16, 2000, 02:30 PM	#3
KilgorII Guest Posts: n/a	Is this some state law? I have never heard of a ban on extended mag tubes for shotguns. Fill me in?

June 16, 2000, 02:54 PM	#4
B Shipley Senior Member Join Date: December 25, 1998 Posts: 719	Pistol grip stocked semi w/ more than 5 in the tube = BAD Non pistol-grip semi w/ more than 5 in the tube = GOOD Per the 1994 revision of the GCA of '68

June 16, 2000, 02:55 PM	#5
Kevlarman Senior Member Join Date: November 21, 1999 Posts: 131	Well, if he \b{didn't} have the pistol grip on the gun, it would be legal to have the extended mag tube (at least here in California). However, if a semi-automatic shotgun has a mag capacity of more than 5 ruonds and it has a pistol grip, it's illegal.

June 16, 2000, 04:16 PM	#6
KilgorII Guest Posts: n/a	Well that's just stupid. Of course that is a redundant statement, it's a gun law.

June 17, 2000, 01:10 PM	#7
Icopy Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2000 Posts: 340	I know that as long as my M1S90 has the pistol grip stock, more than five rounds is illegal. But if I was to plug the 7 round mag tube to five rounds, then it would have the look of the 7 rounder, but only hold 5 rounds. Guess I'm calling the BATF in the morning.

June 17, 2000, 02:15 PM	#8
B Shipley Senior Member Join Date: December 25, 1998 Posts: 719	The criteria is not easily modified, so you could unscrew the tube and pull the plug, hence easily modified. But, in a little more time, you could unscrew the buttstock and switch it to a non-PG config., so I don't get the ATF's point. I suggest getting both buttstocks and switching as one sees fit. I could be all wet here, but these aren't any harder to change than a Remington are they (10 minutes work)?

June 19, 2000, 10:25 AM	#9
Monkeyleg Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2000 Posts: 4,625	I want to do the same thing. Called ATF and they had to transfer me to an inspector. She didn't know, so she called Washington. They said that I should write them a letter telling them what I intend to do, and they would make a determination as to whether I "can" do it. I don't think so. Dick

June 19, 2000, 01:16 PM	#10
p l i n k e r Junior member Join Date: May 17, 2000 Posts: 46	If the plug is 'permanent', there shouldn't be a problem.

July 1, 2000, 10:59 AM	#11
Monkeyleg Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2000 Posts: 4,625	I think I may have arrived at a solution. Cut the three-round limiter rod to two rounds, and use a bit of the "liquid weld" stuff advertised on Paul Harvey's show. That should make it permanent enough, and still allow five shells. Maybe I'll run it past the head guy at our ATF office here. He's pretty friendly to gun owners, and I doubt he'd arrest me...for now, anyway. Dick Want to send a message to Bush? Sign the petition at http://www.petitiononline.com/monk/petition.html and forward the link to every gun owner you know.