Today was the day, so a thanks for all the advice!

Pond, James Pond · December 8, 2016, 05:27 PM

Yes, today I finally put pen to paper and notes to counter.

Regardless what I might have thought/feared, ultimately there really was only one logical choice under the circumstances and I made it today.

I have just wiped down, cleaned and liberally lubed my very own "CZ 858 Tactical 2P", AKA the VZ58.

Assembled from a dwindling stock of military parts, I bought one of the last 3 being sold in the local CZ retailer following the likely final run of these rifles out of Czech.

I'm still amazed at how small it is and find it hard to believe it is a 16" barrel like my old AR which seemed way more serious and less toy-like, despite the MOE plastics.

Needless to say, I've not fired it, but I hope to soon.

Toy-like in size, perhaps, but not in build: Having examined it I feel confident in saying that this, the cheapest semi-auto in the country is probably also the second best after the AR15, exotica such as the AUG aside. I've handled AK, and frankly they felt less solid and recoiled more and the milled receiver of the CZ just says "I'm solid". In terms of take-down and parts it is a breeze! Easier than the AR and that was not hard.

I've resigned myself to the fact that at least some, if not most of my shooting will be bimetal stuff and I will do my best to mitigate the negatives of this with frequent, thorough cleaning as well as moderation in shooting at the range! (Unless it was a bad day at work in which case a spot of mag-dump fun may be in order).
The main thing is that I've come to realise it is not going to be easy to wear this gun out and so I can expect it to serve me well if I do the same.

So thanks to all who helped steer me down this path or at least confirm my my sense of direction!!

Yours,
Happy Pond.

turtlehead · December 8, 2016, 07:08 PM

Outstanding!

dakota.potts · December 8, 2016, 07:18 PM

Congratulations on a good gun purchase.

Buy a good amount of magazines and ammo, learn to shoot it, take care of it and it will serve you well. I love mine and people find it surprisingly accurate.

Any pictures? Would be interested to see how your local variants come equipped

marine6680 · December 8, 2016, 07:58 PM

Yeah... You should know by now that pics are mandatory.

Pond, James Pond · December 9, 2016, 02:12 AM

Quote:

Yeah... You should know by now that pics are mandatory.

All good things come to those who wait!!

drobs · December 9, 2016, 09:30 AM

How much and can you afford a 2nd one?
A 2nd would allow you to have a shooter and a museum piece / safe queen.

I like 7.62x39 AKM's and have 6 of them plus a SKS.

While the VZ58 are nice rifles, they would be an orphan in my collection. Make that a red headed step child.

Pond, James Pond · December 9, 2016, 10:35 AM

Quote:

How much and can you afford a 2nd one?

Second one is not an option, I'm afraid.

Long story short: you can read about it in my European rifle buying thread in the semi-auto rifle sub-forum if you're interested.

Pond, James Pond · December 9, 2016, 10:40 AM

Here are the sights. I could have had one with a closed shroud over the FSP, but went with open:

Here's a full side rifle view:

And another standing proud:

Targa · December 9, 2016, 10:45 AM

That is nice. I really like the wood, congrats.

marine6680 · December 9, 2016, 01:24 PM

Genuine CZ too... I dislike you a little now.

Can it accept a muzzle device? If so, a break can work wonders on keeping the muzzle steady. I just got a simple cheap one for mine, and it helped a lot on how the rifle felt when shooting.

Pond, James Pond · December 9, 2016, 02:02 PM

Quote:

I dislike you a little now.

My work here is done...

Quote:

Can it accept a muzzle device? If so, a break can work wonders on keeping the muzzle steady. I just got a simple cheap one for mine, and it helped a lot on how the rifle felt when shooting.

Yes, it can although I found the CZ to be very soft shooting, compared to the AK.

I may buy a flash-hider from the Bore-Lock range of Ase Utra suppressors where the muzzle device is threaded to take the suppressor, instead of having to remove a muzzle device to then fit the can...

marine6680 · December 9, 2016, 02:47 PM

Mine had a metal folding stock and slant break... so the fiancé was not pleased, the break helped a lot, and a different stock made it pleasant.

A break may not be remiss should you do a competition though.

dakota.potts · December 9, 2016, 03:47 PM

Mine also had a folding stock and slant brake which slapped the face, but it now wears a compensator which fixed the issue.

I am jealous of yours. The century kit build models with folding stock are common here, but the genuine CZ fixed stock models are a much more rare bird

marine6680 · December 9, 2016, 04:27 PM

Czechpoint stuff is available, but not very common either.

Ocraknife · December 11, 2016, 04:06 PM

Awesome! Happy shooting!

drobs · December 12, 2016, 07:38 AM

Good looking rifle!
Now stock up on mags and ammo.

December 8, 2016, 05:27 PM	#1
Pond, James Pond Senior Member Join Date: July 12, 2011 Location: Top of the Baltic stack Posts: 6,079	Today was the day, so a thanks for all the advice! Yes, today I finally put pen to paper and notes to counter. Regardless what I might have thought/feared, ultimately there really was only one logical choice under the circumstances and I made it today. I have just wiped down, cleaned and liberally lubed my very own "CZ 858 Tactical 2P", AKA the VZ58. Assembled from a dwindling stock of military parts, I bought one of the last 3 being sold in the local CZ retailer following the likely final run of these rifles out of Czech. I'm still amazed at how small it is and find it hard to believe it is a 16" barrel like my old AR which seemed way more serious and less toy-like, despite the MOE plastics. Needless to say, I've not fired it, but I hope to soon. Toy-like in size, perhaps, but not in build: Having examined it I feel confident in saying that this, the cheapest semi-auto in the country is probably also the second best after the AR15, exotica such as the AUG aside. I've handled AK, and frankly they felt less solid and recoiled more and the milled receiver of the CZ just says "I'm solid". In terms of take-down and parts it is a breeze! Easier than the AR and that was not hard. I've resigned myself to the fact that at least some, if not most of my shooting will be bimetal stuff and I will do my best to mitigate the negatives of this with frequent, thorough cleaning as well as moderation in shooting at the range! (Unless it was a bad day at work in which case a spot of mag-dump fun may be in order). The main thing is that I've come to realise it is not going to be easy to wear this gun out and so I can expect it to serve me well if I do the same. So thanks to all who helped steer me down this path or at least confirm my my sense of direction!! Yours, Happy Pond. __________________ When the right to effective self-defence is denied, that right to self-defence which remains is essentially symbolic. Freedom: Please enjoy responsibly. Last edited by Pond, James Pond; December 9, 2016 at 02:43 AM.

December 8, 2016, 07:18 PM	#3
dakota.potts Senior Member Join Date: February 25, 2013 Location: Keystone Heights, Florida Posts: 3,084	Congratulations on a good gun purchase. Buy a good amount of magazines and ammo, learn to shoot it, take care of it and it will serve you well. I love mine and people find it surprisingly accurate. Any pictures? Would be interested to see how your local variants come equipped __________________ Certified Gunsmith (On Hiatus) Certified Armorer - H&K and Glock Among Others You can find my writings at my website, pottsprecision.com.

December 9, 2016, 09:30 AM	#6
drobs Senior Member Join Date: July 17, 2015 Location: South Central MO / Africa Posts: 1,111	How much and can you afford a 2nd one? A 2nd would allow you to have a shooter and a museum piece / safe queen. I like 7.62x39 AKM's and have 6 of them plus a SKS. While the VZ58 are nice rifles, they would be an orphan in my collection. Make that a red headed step child. __________________ NRA Life Member Last edited by drobs; December 9, 2016 at 09:36 AM.

December 9, 2016, 02:47 PM	#12
marine6680 Senior Member Join Date: July 24, 2012 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 4,594	Mine had a metal folding stock and slant break... so the fiancé was not pleased, the break helped a lot, and a different stock made it pleasant. A break may not be remiss should you do a competition though. Last edited by marine6680; December 9, 2016 at 02:54 PM.

December 9, 2016, 03:47 PM	#13
dakota.potts Senior Member Join Date: February 25, 2013 Location: Keystone Heights, Florida Posts: 3,084	Mine also had a folding stock and slant brake which slapped the face, but it now wears a compensator which fixed the issue. I am jealous of yours. The century kit build models with folding stock are common here, but the genuine CZ fixed stock models are a much more rare bird __________________ Certified Gunsmith (On Hiatus) Certified Armorer - H&K and Glock Among Others You can find my writings at my website, pottsprecision.com.

December 8, 2016, 07:08 PM	#2
turtlehead Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2015 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,203	Outstanding!

December 8, 2016, 07:58 PM	#4
marine6680 Senior Member Join Date: July 24, 2012 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 4,594	Yeah... You should know by now that pics are mandatory.

December 9, 2016, 10:45 AM	#9
Targa Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2014 Posts: 2,084	That is nice. I really like the wood, congrats.

December 9, 2016, 01:24 PM	#10
marine6680 Senior Member Join Date: July 24, 2012 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 4,594	Genuine CZ too... I dislike you a little now. Can it accept a muzzle device? If so, a break can work wonders on keeping the muzzle steady. I just got a simple cheap one for mine, and it helped a lot on how the rifle felt when shooting.

December 9, 2016, 04:27 PM	#14
marine6680 Senior Member Join Date: July 24, 2012 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 4,594	Czechpoint stuff is available, but not very common either.

December 11, 2016, 04:06 PM	#15
Ocraknife Senior Member Join Date: March 19, 2002 Location: Nashville Posts: 1,117	Awesome! Happy shooting! __________________ "The loudest sound you'll ever hear is a "bang" when you weren't expecting one." -Jimro

December 12, 2016, 07:38 AM	#16
drobs Senior Member Join Date: July 17, 2015 Location: South Central MO / Africa Posts: 1,111	Good looking rifle! Now stock up on mags and ammo. __________________ NRA Life Member