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Old April 11, 2009, 03:28 PM   #1
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A Work of Beauty, or an Abomination?




CHINESE Model 56 Siminov SKS black-powder muzzleloading rifle # 97 00002 (.50 caliber) mfg. by Norinco in 1997, literally the SECOND of only TEN ever manufactured. UNISSUED and literally unfired, with a wood and brass "ramrod" below barrel. Wood has a few nicks in the finish, but is otherwise as new, metal has 100% bluing. This is one of the rifles brought to the 1998 S.H.O.T. show in Las Vegas for display by Interstate Arms Corp, but further manufacture and marketing was abandoned after Chinese imports were banned. Nipple for primer-caps can be accessed by pulling back the bolt, hammer sets off the primer after bolt is closed, SKS safety also works as intended.
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Old April 11, 2009, 04:19 PM   #2
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To me it's an abomination.:barf:
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Old April 11, 2009, 04:31 PM   #3
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Old April 11, 2009, 05:14 PM   #4
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It is the Frankenstein monster of muzzleloaders.
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Old April 11, 2009, 06:00 PM   #5
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+1! Total abomination right there. Could someone have actually designed this, or do you suppose they just reworked some available stock? Is it because China can't send semi-autos to the US?
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Old April 11, 2009, 07:42 PM   #6
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An abomination in this Obamanation.
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Old April 11, 2009, 07:55 PM   #7
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Somebody had to be having very, very bad nightmares to dream up something like that.
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Old April 11, 2009, 07:55 PM   #8
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Not something I have a burning desire to own, but an interesting adaptation nonetheless.
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Old April 11, 2009, 07:57 PM   #9
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Yep its ugly, but I would like to be checked by the game warden carrying that in muzzleloader season.
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Old April 11, 2009, 08:13 PM   #10
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that is being done just to sneak those guns past strict Aussie, Canada, UK, etc. gun laws.

what's next, a blackpowder M-1 Garand ?

in reality, you can load any cartridge with BP, it will just have way less velocity and pressure- I've already loaded 303 British with full cases of BP and pyrodex, if memory serves the original was loaded with 70 grains of black back in the 1800's

the 32 Winchester Special rifle round, was originally a BP and smokeless round

more marketing hype- like the "nickel frame Colts" for $250-$300 from Pietta, sold by Traditions and Cabela's, that are actually cheap $100 brass frame guns, plated with nickel

lots of scamming going on, beware
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Old April 11, 2009, 08:26 PM   #11
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There's a gunsmith in CA who makes AR-15 M/L's ain't that something. not as ugly as this Chinese abomination just as useless though.
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Old April 11, 2009, 08:28 PM   #12
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Old April 11, 2009, 08:51 PM   #13
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if its from China i would not give it away.
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Old April 11, 2009, 09:30 PM   #14
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is the savage muzzleloader ugly too? After all its just one of their off the shelf rifles converted over to a 209 breech plug and a larger caliber.
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Old April 11, 2009, 09:37 PM   #15
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It will be a collector's item. How many were made? Only 10 you say? In the whole world? HUUUUMMM

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Old April 11, 2009, 11:38 PM   #16
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Old April 12, 2009, 01:27 AM   #17
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Neither, it's barfolicious!


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Old April 12, 2009, 01:58 AM   #18
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>>>in reality, you can load any cartridge with BP, it will just have way less velocity and pressure- I've already loaded 303 British with full cases of BP and pyrodex, if memory serves the original was loaded with 70 grains of black back in the 1800's

the 32 Winchester Special rifle round, was originally a BP and smokeless round<<<

I doubt that many on this forum are unaware of that fact but what's at issue here is that this is a MUZZLE LOADING rifle fired by a percussion cap that just happens to look like an SKS - there is no cartridge involved.

If these were available and inexpensive I'd have one if for no other reason than to give the gun control idiots fits.

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Old April 12, 2009, 04:27 AM   #19
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Doesn't look any worse that a lot of the inline muzzleloaders out there, it's kind of interesting, though I don't have a burning desire to own one.
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Old April 12, 2009, 05:19 AM   #20
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I'd buy one.....

If you could buy a "kit" to make it back into what it looks like it is

Imagine if you could buy it as a muzzle loader, then pay say, $50 or something, to make it into a cartrige rifle again

I wonder if the chineese make a Glock muzzle loading pistol? Now that, I would like to see
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Old April 12, 2009, 06:51 AM   #21
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If anyone wants to buy it, better make your move now!

http://www.empirearms.com/041109.htm
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Old April 12, 2009, 10:27 AM   #22
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Abomination is too kind a word!

Hard to imagine a sane person thinking of this, let alone manufacturing it.
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Old April 12, 2009, 11:17 AM   #23
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It is a hideousity-combination of hideous and atrocity.
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Old April 12, 2009, 02:34 PM   #24
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I see only one use for that thing & others similar to it.

Cut the metal up into easy to manage pieces for forging into something more useful & appealing.
Bust the wood up to feed the forg's furnace.
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Old April 12, 2009, 04:37 PM   #25
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To me it's an abomination...and so is the M16 version and all variants...
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