7.62x39 accuracy not what I expected.

Ocraknife · December 7, 2016, 07:38 PM

I'd heard since I was a kid that the 7.62x39 was a great combat round but not very accurate inherently.

Recently, I saw a little CZ 527 in 7.62x39 carbine that just really caught my fancy so I bought it.

I put an in expensive scope on it - but good enough for deer hunting at <150 yards and sighted it in.

Took me a while to get it right but this is what I got at 100 yards with cheap soviet steel cased ammo.

TXAZ · December 7, 2016, 08:21 PM

"Mansized target at 100-200 meters", looks like you proved it, then some.
Congrats

amd6547 · December 7, 2016, 09:16 PM

I'm not surprised that a nice rifle/trigger/scope combo would do that.
The Yugo underfolder I used to own was accurate.
This pic shows two five shot groups separated by a sight adjust, fired at 100yds with open sights. Of the Russian steel case ammo, I always found Golden Tiger to be most accurate. They use a boat tail bullet.

stolivar · December 8, 2016, 12:19 AM

They are very accurate. I get around one inch at hundred yards with Wolf Poly Perfomance 125 gr SP.

steve

DMK · December 8, 2016, 07:32 AM

Quote:

100 yards with cheap soviet steel cased ammo

What ammo were you using?

(I have an AR15 in 7.62x39 and want to test various ammo in it)

Model12Win · December 8, 2016, 10:15 AM

Welcome to the world of the CZ-527. GREAT rifles and specifically made to eat steel-cased, .311" bullet ammo, i.e. combloc surplus and modern cheap stuff. These groups are typical of what you can expect out of the rifle using such ammo. It also proves that most of that surplus ammo is NOT inherently inaccurate or low quality (in most cases).

Texas45 · December 8, 2016, 12:40 PM

My 762x39 AR will center punch a 100 yd all day long.
MY SKS will as well
My AK not so much.
All with same Tulammo or Herters mainly. I have shot a little red army standard as well. All seem about the same.

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Double Naught Spy · December 8, 2016, 01:18 PM

That is 7.62x39 is inaccurate is one of those generalization myths. Sure enough, out of many AK47 type guns, the generic cheapo milsurp ammo often will not shoot impressive groups at distance. The rifle wasn't designed for it and the ammo wasn't loaded for it. If you have ever seen the slomo video of the AK47 type gun firing, you can see the barrel whipping around quite a bit.

Excellent that you got such a good group with cheapo Soviet ammo. I would buy a bunch more of that exact same stuff, if I was you. It obviously does well in the gun.

As you found, when you control for some of the problems on which the myth is based, the round doesn't look so bad.

bamaranger · December 8, 2016, 09:53 PM

If your rifle shoots like that with import steel case, I'd be really interested to see what it does with USA ammo.

tahunua001 · December 8, 2016, 10:07 PM

there's no such thing as an inherently inaccurate cartridge. the problem with x39 is that most of the guns that were made for it were made without any kind of accuracy standard. the modern sporting arms out there, and some of the non AK military designs actually shoot quite well.

jetinteriorguy · December 9, 2016, 07:30 PM

I just picked up an AR47 upper from Midway on their Black Friday special and put together a lower for it. This thing shoots great, at 25 yds at the indoor range(max distance) I can shoot five rounds from a good rest with my handloads and cover them with a dime. Can't wait to get outside and try it at a hundred. Really really liking this little rifle. I believe the old MAC90 will become a safe queen now. Recoil was pretty harsh but an H3 buffer really smoothed it out. I have a brake coming to finish taming it down for the final touch.

smee78 · December 9, 2016, 09:25 PM

I also have found the round to be accurate out of my AR-47, I have only shot it with open sights but have had no problems keeping it in a 2" circle at 90yrds. I hope to make it better with a scope and it will be my new hunting AR.

precision_shooter · December 10, 2016, 06:46 PM

I've experienced the same from my 527. Mine wears a Leupold VX.R 1.25-4x scope. One heck of a woods rifle and one I'll likely never part with.

Ocraknife · December 10, 2016, 08:03 PM

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I also have found the round to be accurate out of my AR-47, I have only shot it with open sights but have had no problems keeping it in a 2" circle at 90yrds. I hope to make it better with a scope and it will be my new hunting AR.

My 527 has open sights too but there's no way I could keep my shots consistently in a 2" circle at 90 yards with them. But that is due to my lack of skill rather than a deficiency in the iron sights.

Kvon2 · December 11, 2016, 09:27 AM

I have an inexpensive simmons scope on my 527 in 7.62..my range only goes out to 100 yards but the results are great with steel cased tula.

I think similar to the "just racking the slide for home defense" idea, most firearm enthusiasts have accepted that saying 7.62x39 is inaccurate is well... inaccurate

chris in va · December 17, 2016, 01:00 AM

Try tightening up the trigger. You think it's amazing now...

Jeff2222 · December 17, 2016, 06:41 AM

The round itself isn't the problem. When most people talk about 7.62x39 they are talking about ak style rifles. But an ak is not built for accuracy so the generalization gets made that the round is also inaccurate.

I haven't heard much about cz rifles until joining this forum. It seems they are nice quality yet overlooked for some reason. I looked up the 527 you mentioned and that looks nice. I will need to be on the lookout for one of these.

Texas45 · December 17, 2016, 09:24 AM

This thing will group quarter to half dollar size at 100 yds all day long.
And its reliable has had no cycle/feed issues.
Windham SRC762.

And if you have an AR lower already just need to swap uppers and get the correct 762 mags for it.
Mags are standard in the fact the work in the AR well but have more AK like curve and the follower/lips are redone to work with the 762 round.

Myself I plan to someday get a 556 upper and some standard mags so I can shoot both.

I have an AK and an SKS so that is mainly why I went 762 cal in AR first.

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dvdcrr · December 18, 2016, 12:33 AM

My last AK is a SLR 107. I put on a Leupold VX-R patrol on the new KVAR mount. I quit sight-in when it hit the 200 yd 4" gong 3 times in a row. Completely chrome lined bulgarian rifle shooting wolf 7.62x39. Cant beat it with a stick.

smee78 · December 25, 2016, 01:18 PM

I forgot to mention one of the things that makes my rifle so fun to shoot is the use of ASC mags. They have provided excellent feeding and I have not had any feeding problems to date.

stolivar · December 25, 2016, 06:11 PM

As a pistol with the 16 inch 762x39 upper

Steve

ranger56528 · December 26, 2016, 06:07 PM

I have the same AR as Texas45,was a little Leary when I bought it but after shooting it I'm happy with it,just put a TRS-25 on it today along with a different hand gaurd on it,one with picatinny rails at 12-3-6-9.

katonahjohn · January 1, 2017, 08:25 PM

Was searching for black powder sites and stumbled over this one. Thanks for having me BTW!
I have both the Windham in 7.62 X 39 (3-9 X 40 glass) and the CZ 527 with a
4 - 12 X 40 glass. Using Wolf 123 grain steel ammo. Both accurate enough for me, consistent two inch circle at 100 yards. Not bad for these social security eyes. Do prefer the bolt action of the 527, generally take that and a Springfield 1911 in 9mm to the range. The AR has been delegated to be the zombie apocalypse gun (G).

ronl · January 1, 2017, 08:46 PM

If you want to see what the 7.62x39 is capable of then reload some with decent brass and good bullets. The results out of a good rifle may surprise you.

ClaymoreAKM · January 3, 2017, 08:38 AM

7.62x39mm is a surprisingly accurate cartridge. Equally surprising is that many AKs can get 1 or 2 MOA at 1-200 yards.

So much for the old myth that both the AK and 7.62x39mm are both inaccurate.

December 7, 2016, 07:38 PM	#1
Ocraknife Senior Member Join Date: March 19, 2002 Location: Nashville Posts: 1,117	7.62x39 accuracy not what I expected. I'd heard since I was a kid that the 7.62x39 was a great combat round but not very accurate inherently. Recently, I saw a little CZ 527 in 7.62x39 carbine that just really caught my fancy so I bought it. I put an in expensive scope on it - but good enough for deer hunting at <150 yards and sighted it in. Took me a while to get it right but this is what I got at 100 yards with cheap soviet steel cased ammo. __________________ "The loudest sound you'll ever hear is a "bang" when you weren't expecting one." -Jimro

December 7, 2016, 08:21 PM	#2
TXAZ Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 2010 Location: McMurdo Sound Texas Posts: 4,322	"Mansized target at 100-200 meters", looks like you proved it, then some. Congrats __________________ Cave illos in guns et backhoes

December 7, 2016, 09:16 PM	#3
amd6547 Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2006 Posts: 2,313	I'm not surprised that a nice rifle/trigger/scope combo would do that. The Yugo underfolder I used to own was accurate. This pic shows two five shot groups separated by a sight adjust, fired at 100yds with open sights. Of the Russian steel case ammo, I always found Golden Tiger to be most accurate. They use a boat tail bullet. __________________ The past is gone...the future may never happen. Be Here Now.

December 8, 2016, 12:19 AM	#4
stolivar Senior Member Join Date: September 24, 2004 Posts: 394	Yes, in a CZ They are very accurate. I get around one inch at hundred yards with Wolf Poly Perfomance 125 gr SP. steve

December 8, 2016, 12:40 PM	#7
Texas45 Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2016 Posts: 223	7.62x39 accuracy not what I expected. My 762x39 AR will center punch a 100 yd all day long. MY SKS will as well My AK not so much. All with same Tulammo or Herters mainly. I have shot a little red army standard as well. All seem about the same. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

December 8, 2016, 10:15 AM	#6
Model12Win Junior member Join Date: October 20, 2012 Posts: 5,854	Welcome to the world of the CZ-527. GREAT rifles and specifically made to eat steel-cased, .311" bullet ammo, i.e. combloc surplus and modern cheap stuff. These groups are typical of what you can expect out of the rifle using such ammo. It also proves that most of that surplus ammo is NOT inherently inaccurate or low quality (in most cases).

December 8, 2016, 01:18 PM	#8
Double Naught Spy Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Forestburg, Montague Cnty, TX Posts: 12,717	That is 7.62x39 is inaccurate is one of those generalization myths. Sure enough, out of many AK47 type guns, the generic cheapo milsurp ammo often will not shoot impressive groups at distance. The rifle wasn't designed for it and the ammo wasn't loaded for it. If you have ever seen the slomo video of the AK47 type gun firing, you can see the barrel whipping around quite a bit. Excellent that you got such a good group with cheapo Soviet ammo. I would buy a bunch more of that exact same stuff, if I was you. It obviously does well in the gun. As you found, when you control for some of the problems on which the myth is based, the round doesn't look so bad. __________________ "If you look through your scope and see your shoe, aim higher." -- said to me by my 11 year old daughter before going out for hogs 8/13/2011 My Hunting Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/HornHillRange

December 8, 2016, 09:53 PM	#9
bamaranger Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2009 Location: North Alabama Posts: 8,308	nice group If your rifle shoots like that with import steel case, I'd be really interested to see what it does with USA ammo.

December 8, 2016, 10:07 PM	#10
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 7,839	there's no such thing as an inherently inaccurate cartridge. the problem with x39 is that most of the guns that were made for it were made without any kind of accuracy standard. the modern sporting arms out there, and some of the non AK military designs actually shoot quite well. __________________ ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin

December 9, 2016, 07:30 PM	#11
jetinteriorguy Senior Member Join Date: April 28, 2013 Posts: 3,175	I just picked up an AR47 upper from Midway on their Black Friday special and put together a lower for it. This thing shoots great, at 25 yds at the indoor range(max distance) I can shoot five rounds from a good rest with my handloads and cover them with a dime. Can't wait to get outside and try it at a hundred. Really really liking this little rifle. I believe the old MAC90 will become a safe queen now. Recoil was pretty harsh but an H3 buffer really smoothed it out. I have a brake coming to finish taming it down for the final touch.

December 9, 2016, 09:25 PM	#12
smee78 Senior Member Join Date: July 14, 2008 Location: South Carolina Posts: 2,918	I also have found the round to be accurate out of my AR-47, I have only shot it with open sights but have had no problems keeping it in a 2" circle at 90yrds. I hope to make it better with a scope and it will be my new hunting AR. __________________ We know exactly where one cow with Mad-cow-disease is located, among the millions and millions of cows in America, but we haven't got a clue where thousands of illegal immigrants and terrorists are

December 10, 2016, 06:46 PM	#13
precision_shooter Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 2,475	I've experienced the same from my 527. Mine wears a Leupold VX.R 1.25-4x scope. One heck of a woods rifle and one I'll likely never part with. __________________ "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson, 1776

December 11, 2016, 09:27 AM	#15
Kvon2 Senior Member Join Date: January 4, 2016 Posts: 757	I have an inexpensive simmons scope on my 527 in 7.62..my range only goes out to 100 yards but the results are great with steel cased tula. I think similar to the "just racking the slide for home defense" idea, most firearm enthusiasts have accepted that saying 7.62x39 is inaccurate is well... inaccurate

December 17, 2016, 01:00 AM	#16
chris in va Senior Member Join Date: December 26, 2004 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 13,806	Try tightening up the trigger. You think it's amazing now...

December 17, 2016, 06:41 AM	#17
Jeff2222 Member Join Date: December 11, 2016 Posts: 36	7.62x39 accuracy not what I expected. The round itself isn't the problem. When most people talk about 7.62x39 they are talking about ak style rifles. But an ak is not built for accuracy so the generalization gets made that the round is also inaccurate. I haven't heard much about cz rifles until joining this forum. It seems they are nice quality yet overlooked for some reason. I looked up the 527 you mentioned and that looks nice. I will need to be on the lookout for one of these. Last edited by Jeff2222; December 17, 2016 at 06:47 AM.

December 17, 2016, 09:24 AM	#18
Texas45 Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2016 Posts: 223	7.62x39 accuracy not what I expected. This thing will group quarter to half dollar size at 100 yds all day long. And its reliable has had no cycle/feed issues. Windham SRC762. And if you have an AR lower already just need to swap uppers and get the correct 762 mags for it. Mags are standard in the fact the work in the AR well but have more AK like curve and the follower/lips are redone to work with the 762 round. Myself I plan to someday get a 556 upper and some standard mags so I can shoot both. I have an AK and an SKS so that is mainly why I went 762 cal in AR first. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Last edited by Texas45; December 17, 2016 at 09:29 AM.

December 18, 2016, 12:33 AM	#19
dvdcrr Senior Member Join Date: July 5, 2010 Posts: 665	My last AK is a SLR 107. I put on a Leupold VX-R patrol on the new KVAR mount. I quit sight-in when it hit the 200 yd 4" gong 3 times in a row. Completely chrome lined bulgarian rifle shooting wolf 7.62x39. Cant beat it with a stick. __________________ "All warfare is based on deception. Hence when we are able to attack we must seem unable....when using our forces we must appear inactive. When we are near we must make the enemy believe we are far away."Sun Tzu The Art of War.

December 25, 2016, 01:18 PM	#20
smee78 Senior Member Join Date: July 14, 2008 Location: South Carolina Posts: 2,918	I forgot to mention one of the things that makes my rifle so fun to shoot is the use of ASC mags. They have provided excellent feeding and I have not had any feeding problems to date. __________________ We know exactly where one cow with Mad-cow-disease is located, among the millions and millions of cows in America, but we haven't got a clue where thousands of illegal immigrants and terrorists are

December 25, 2016, 06:11 PM	#21
stolivar Senior Member Join Date: September 24, 2004 Posts: 394	I am hunting with mine during alternative hunt As a pistol with the 16 inch 762x39 upper Steve

December 26, 2016, 06:07 PM	#22
ranger56528 Member Join Date: May 22, 2014 Posts: 88	I have the same AR as Texas45,was a little Leary when I bought it but after shooting it I'm happy with it,just put a TRS-25 on it today along with a different hand gaurd on it,one with picatinny rails at 12-3-6-9. __________________ Sentences and paragraphs with punctuations are over rated as long as you get your point or view across.

January 1, 2017, 08:25 PM	#23
katonahjohn Junior Member Join Date: January 1, 2017 Posts: 8	Was searching for black powder sites and stumbled over this one. Thanks for having me BTW! I have both the Windham in 7.62 X 39 (3-9 X 40 glass) and the CZ 527 with a 4 - 12 X 40 glass. Using Wolf 123 grain steel ammo. Both accurate enough for me, consistent two inch circle at 100 yards. Not bad for these social security eyes. Do prefer the bolt action of the 527, generally take that and a Springfield 1911 in 9mm to the range. The AR has been delegated to be the zombie apocalypse gun (G).

January 1, 2017, 08:46 PM	#24
ronl Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2007 Posts: 1,100	If you want to see what the 7.62x39 is capable of then reload some with decent brass and good bullets. The results out of a good rifle may surprise you.

January 3, 2017, 08:38 AM	#25
ClaymoreAKM Member Join Date: January 2, 2017 Location: South of the Mason-Dixon NC Posts: 32	7.62x39mm is a surprisingly accurate cartridge. Equally surprising is that many AKs can get 1 or 2 MOA at 1-200 yards. So much for the old myth that both the AK and 7.62x39mm are both inaccurate. __________________ Love Your Gun? Hate Your Gun? REVIEW YOUR GUN!