Alternative ranged weapons...

PaladinX13 · December 21, 2000, 11:56 AM

In a world w/o guns, what would you opt for personal defense and why? Slings, bows, spears, blowguns, slingshots, crosbows... darts, stars, and horseshoes, clovers and blue moons!

Hard Ball · December 21, 2000, 12:32 PM

A good sdwrd, a good knife and a crossbow.

LASur5r · December 21, 2000, 08:29 PM

What HardBall said...
Good 3 foot sword,one short sword, and a crossbow.

PaladinX13 · December 21, 2000, 10:25 PM

Just to be nitpicky, you can't have any melee weapons. And no cheating with throwable bowie knives!

So why opt for the crossbow over the other ranged weapons?

Tamara · December 22, 2000, 12:19 AM

1) Crossbow: easiest skillset to acquire, least dependent on physical strength.
2) Pilum, Lanceae or Martiobarbulae: Relatively simple; weighted missiles make them easy to use.
3) "Belly Bow" or Gastraphetes: See #1, but better rate of fire, slightly more cumbersome.

iso1 · December 22, 2000, 02:56 AM

stealth catapult

LongArms · December 22, 2000, 04:27 AM

HI! What! No melee weapons, lets just throw flowers at our foes and hope they sneeze to death!

OK, OK, No melee weapons, then definitely the crossbow. The longbow is nice but takes a long time(year or two) to learn well. The crossbow and its bigger badder cousin the arbalest takes about a week to learn. The downside of both these weapons is the size and rate of fire, the arbalest more so, as it takes a block and tackle arrangement to draw, up to 1100 pounds pull compared to 150 to 250 pounds for lever drawn(i.e. goat leg) crossbow.

Another weapon to consider is the simple sling and staffsling. It takes a bit of practice to use a sling but I have found them to be very accurate after a little practice, the staffsling more than the sling as it doesn't need to be "spun" and released for its momentum. For longer range and/or more "firepower" the staffsling is the only way to go. It is one of my favorite "ancient" weapons.

The staffsling and sling are both concealable(the staff for my "bad leg" and the sling, "Why thats my headband, eyepatch, or homemade hernia belt."

) and deadly in the hands of a practiced individual, but then again so is a metal bodied writing implement and pointed stick, but I digress.

There is nothing like throwing a fist sized rock 75 meters accurately or at 10-15 meters against a concrete wall in a 8 inch group and making the rock split with a staffsling. I recommend you make one and try it out. I was very surprised as to their effectiveness, especially the staffsling.

Note: It is more that likely illegal to make and use a sling and staffsling in your local(the sling by name, the staffsling by default, at least in my area), but if nobody is looking I say go for it.

Most police nowadays do not look at the sling or staffsling as a weapon like they did in days of yore(How long ago is yore?.) In my fathers day(yore), late 40's early 50's, they used to stop him if they saw him with his sling. He took 2 rabbits and lots of chickens(had to kill them for dinner anyway, might as well make it sporting) with the sling he made when he was a kid.(I have it now) That is before he got to use my grandfathers .22(500,000 rounds and still shooting, I have it too)

For more info in the crossbow try this webpage:
http://snt.student.utwente.nl/campus...ow.shtml#Books
or this book:
THE CROSSBOW
by Sir Ralph W. F. Payne-Gallwey, Holland Press, 1903, 1958
and also reprinted in the 70's.

As for the sling try:
DAVID VS. GOLIATH the Bible, various printers.

I know of no text expounding the staffsling, if you know any please enlighten me.

Hard Ball · December 22, 2000, 11:20 AM

Don't forget some good protective equipment, a good helmet, a mail shirt and perhaps a shoeld. I would favor the Roman infantyman's melmet because it offer excellent protection combined with good visibility and hearing for the wearer. The type of shield woul d depend ob the sowrd you select.

Dave McC · December 22, 2000, 11:30 AM

Distance weapon, Longbow. While it does take some time to learn, I've done exactly that, and hunt with mine. Anyone want to calculate the KE of a 530 gr arrow at 174 FPS? With a broadhead honed to a razor's envy, 1 1/8" wide. Penetration's no problem...

Up close,I learned working in some INTERESTING prisons that anything can be used as a weapon. Pens,pencils,broomhandles( A personal favorite) soda cans, soap, shaving cream,TVs, shoelaces,rocks,socks,clocks....

"The mind is the only weapon, everything else is just an accessory"- Steinbeck....

Spectre · December 22, 2000, 04:47 PM

I'm partial to the spear, in an 8' length. Spears are easy to learn compared to many other manual arms, and are extremely powerful.

Um...by "ranged", you mean distance weapons? Ah. I hate throwing my weapons away, so for that, spears are out. I like large ball bearings for concealable stopping ability.

I've used crossbows, but think- if left w/out modern arms- I would take the time to learn how to make and use a regular bow. It seemed to work pretty well for the Native Americans, and I don't think they were huge. Another distance weapon I like is the knobkerrie, which is a short knobbed club that can be thrown. Slings are good. I see the Palestinians are still making good use of them.

December 21, 2000, 08:29 PM	#3
LASur5r Junior member Join Date: July 20, 2000 Location: pasadena,california,America Posts: 542	Alternative weapons What HardBall said... Good 3 foot sword,one short sword, and a crossbow.

December 22, 2000, 12:19 AM	#5
Tamara Moderator Emeritus Join Date: March 11, 2000 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 16,002	First choice: 1) Crossbow: easiest skillset to acquire, least dependent on physical strength. 2) Pilum, Lanceae or Martiobarbulae: Relatively simple; weighted missiles make them easy to use. 3) "Belly Bow" or Gastraphetes: See #1, but better rate of fire, slightly more cumbersome. __________________ MOLON LABE! 2% Unobtainium, 98% Hypetanium. The Arms Room: An Online Museum.

December 22, 2000, 04:27 AM	#7
LongArms Member Join Date: June 30, 2000 Posts: 61	HI! What! No melee weapons, lets just throw flowers at our foes and hope they sneeze to death! OK, OK, No melee weapons, then definitely the crossbow. The longbow is nice but takes a long time(year or two) to learn well. The crossbow and its bigger badder cousin the arbalest takes about a week to learn. The downside of both these weapons is the size and rate of fire, the arbalest more so, as it takes a block and tackle arrangement to draw, up to 1100 pounds pull compared to 150 to 250 pounds for lever drawn(i.e. goat leg) crossbow. Another weapon to consider is the simple sling and staffsling. It takes a bit of practice to use a sling but I have found them to be very accurate after a little practice, the staffsling more than the sling as it doesn't need to be "spun" and released for its momentum. For longer range and/or more "firepower" the staffsling is the only way to go. It is one of my favorite "ancient" weapons. The staffsling and sling are both concealable(the staff for my "bad leg" and the sling, "Why thats my headband, eyepatch, or homemade hernia belt.") and deadly in the hands of a practiced individual, but then again so is a metal bodied writing implement and pointed stick, but I digress. There is nothing like throwing a fist sized rock 75 meters accurately or at 10-15 meters against a concrete wall in a 8 inch group and making the rock split with a staffsling. I recommend you make one and try it out. I was very surprised as to their effectiveness, especially the staffsling. Note: It is more that likely illegal to make and use a sling and staffsling in your local(the sling by name, the staffsling by default, at least in my area), but if nobody is looking I say go for it. Most police nowadays do not look at the sling or staffsling as a weapon like they did in days of yore(How long ago is yore?.) In my fathers day(yore), late 40's early 50's, they used to stop him if they saw him with his sling. He took 2 rabbits and lots of chickens(had to kill them for dinner anyway, might as well make it sporting) with the sling he made when he was a kid.(I have it now) That is before he got to use my grandfathers .22(500,000 rounds and still shooting, I have it too) For more info in the crossbow try this webpage: http://snt.student.utwente.nl/campus...ow.shtml#Books or this book: THE CROSSBOW by Sir Ralph W. F. Payne-Gallwey, Holland Press, 1903, 1958 and also reprinted in the 70's. As for the sling try: DAVID VS. GOLIATH the Bible, various printers. I know of no text expounding the staffsling, if you know any please enlighten me. __________________ Shoot early, shoot often... Don't Vote for ****ing Lawyers!

December 22, 2000, 11:20 AM	#8
Hard Ball Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 1999 Location: California Posts: 3,925	Don't Forget Your Armor Don't forget some good protective equipment, a good helmet, a mail shirt and perhaps a shoeld. I would favor the Roman infantyman's melmet because it offer excellent protection combined with good visibility and hearing for the wearer. The type of shield woul d depend ob the sowrd you select.

December 21, 2000, 11:56 AM	#1
PaladinX13 Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2000 Posts: 519	In a world w/o guns, what would you opt for personal defense and why? Slings, bows, spears, blowguns, slingshots, crosbows... darts, stars, and horseshoes, clovers and blue moons!

December 21, 2000, 12:32 PM	#2
Hard Ball Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 1999 Location: California Posts: 3,925	A good sdwrd, a good knife and a crossbow.

December 21, 2000, 10:25 PM	#4
PaladinX13 Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2000 Posts: 519	Just to be nitpicky, you can't have any melee weapons. And no cheating with throwable bowie knives! So why opt for the crossbow over the other ranged weapons?

December 22, 2000, 02:56 AM	#6
iso1 Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2000 Location: Reno, Nevada Posts: 573	stealth catapult

December 22, 2000, 11:30 AM	#9
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	Distance weapon, Longbow. While it does take some time to learn, I've done exactly that, and hunt with mine. Anyone want to calculate the KE of a 530 gr arrow at 174 FPS? With a broadhead honed to a razor's envy, 1 1/8" wide. Penetration's no problem... Up close,I learned working in some INTERESTING prisons that anything can be used as a weapon. Pens,pencils,broomhandles( A personal favorite) soda cans, soap, shaving cream,TVs, shoelaces,rocks,socks,clocks.... "The mind is the only weapon, everything else is just an accessory"- Steinbeck....

December 22, 2000, 04:47 PM	#10
Spectre Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 23, 1998 Location: ATL Posts: 3,277	I'm partial to the spear, in an 8' length. Spears are easy to learn compared to many other manual arms, and are extremely powerful. Um...by "ranged", you mean distance weapons? Ah. I hate throwing my weapons away, so for that, spears are out. I like large ball bearings for concealable stopping ability. I've used crossbows, but think- if left w/out modern arms- I would take the time to learn how to make and use a regular bow. It seemed to work pretty well for the Native Americans, and I don't think they were huge. Another distance weapon I like is the knobkerrie, which is a short knobbed club that can be thrown. Slings are good. I see the Palestinians are still making good use of them.