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There is no reason I can think of, to imagine that if I hand over 10 new AK rifles to some guy in Phoenix...that he is going to go to the trouble of smuggling them across some border. Field agents stated the tracking was stopped here by higher ups. Testimony shows they had suspicions the guns were staying here(immediate office reaction to news of the Giffords shooting). They did not lose control of any firearms.....they dispersed firearms. They were arming them up and asking for The Gaza Strip. .50 cals...they couldn't even say no way to those...when they know lookouts are used up in the hills, here? Just too much fun to stop. And someone, somewhere, said to themselves at least once(and maybe to others)...."if this mess gets 100% totally out of hand, no matter how bad it gets, we can still make it work for us..." Heck, if you actually wanted a few guns to end up in Mexico the easy way, Honduras would be the way to go. http://www.cipamericas.org/archives/3029 http://www.bing.com/maps/default.asp...98&FORM=ATRCTN Yeah, this episode is sickening.
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More documents from the DOJ are due today. We'll soon see this again...
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Is it possible for an enterprise run so brilliantly, to avoid the temptation of using some federal funding to set up it's own FFL operations, rule out the possible citizen FFL whistleblowers, and get the non-tracking of firearms done at a more impressive rate?
Seems like it might have been a more efficient investigation all around...allowing much more non-tracking to happen. Almost disappointing they didn't take it up a notch.
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I assume you were trying to be funny, alloy. Try harder...
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Re the quote in post 654, I wonder as to how it is that D.C. continues to "thumb its' nose" at USSC rulings, or at least seems to so do. Some might find this question "off topic", however it strikes me as sort of interesting.
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What Alan Gura should do is to file an anti-trust lawsuit for restraint of trade and unfair business practices citing unfair competition. The city should not be going into business for the sole purpose of restraining other businesses.
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Alan,
They can continue as long as they continue to be elected and the taxpayers continue to not mind the wasted money on the losing lawsuits. JimPeel, They are going into the gun business in an effort to stop Gura's lawsuit. He has already told them it will not work. |
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I question what new FFL applicants were approved during the time frame...and wonder if the ATF could avoid the temptation to run a couple of in house gunwalking emporiums. Seems more efficient. All that new money, and nobody thought they could speed up the sales with a couple of storefronts, sans whistleblower FFL citizens?
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Interesting article at Pajamas Media on the death of Jaime Zapata, the federal agent who was slain in Mexico. One of the guns recovered from the scene was a Draco AK pistol that could not be linked to Fast and Furious; because it came from an FFL in the Dallas Field area.
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/gunwalk...mands-answers/ The same article also notes a large number of Houston area weapons turning up in South and Central Mexico. In light of knowledge that Houston-area Carter's Country shops were cooperating with the ATF by making sales to suspected straw purchasers, it does raise an interesting question to how many of those firearms "got away" or whether there was another deliberate decision to walk guns into Mexico at the Houston and Dallas offices as well. Still too early to say; but definitely some interesting leads to investigate. |
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Re the quote in post 657, assuming that the documents requested did not show up, as is perhaps the case, what happens now?
Can or will individuals be cited for contempt? |
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Well, interesting you asked. Congress has no law enforcement authority of it's own. It refers pwpssible criminal acts for investigation to...
Wait for it... The Department of Justice. Yay! |
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Another letter from Sen. Grassley on July 18th. You can read the contents at:
http://grassley.senate.gov/judiciary...w-excerpts.pdf There are some very interesting excerpts in there. Melson seems to be implying that the whole idiotic DOJ response to the original Congressional requests were basically just the political appointees at DOJ trying to get as far away from the scandal as possible, even if it ended up burning someone else or prevented the problem from being solved. And conveniently, it appears Melson has identified certain key documents that fit the type of documents Congress has requested concerning Fast and Furious; but that DOJ has still not provided. Melson also helpfully pointed out that one still unreleased Memorandum of a key Fast and Furious meeting that took place on December 17, 2009, had been postdated (see Page 5 of Grassley July 18th letter) and that the Memorandum had really been drafted over a year AFTER the meeting in question. Sen. Grassley helpfully points out to AG Holder that this looks suspiciously like the DOJ may be trying to offer a different version of what happened at the meeting written long after the fact. It would make for entertaining reading if the subject matter weren't so serious. |
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What a read. I guess the only thing now is to see the reaction from DOJ.
AD Melson should get some credit for at least talking like he wants the truth told and the problems corrected. If he was acting, give him an Oscar. If he was testifying truthfully, then give him the kudos he earned.
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You know someone (or quite a few people) are scratching their heads and wondering what else Melson told the committee.
That letter was a very nice way to tell the DOJ to stop sending BS responses, because we know what you have.
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The problem is that there isn't a soul on earth with the authority to hold the DOJ accountable who is willing to do so. So on and on this little game of pattycake will go.
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publius42 wrote, in response to my question:
Alan, They can continue as long as they continue to be elected and the taxpayers continue to not mind the wasted money on the losing lawsuits. ---------------------- In-so- far as it goes, point taken, however I find myself curious as to the following. In Heller, correct me if I'm wrong, The Court (USSC) ruled that there is an individual right to keep and bear arms, though they seem to have unfortunately couched what should have been a straight out ruling with lots of "lawyers talk", yes I know that the court is composed, perhaps unfortunatrely, of lawyers. Notwithstanding this, it appears that existing and or newly enacted laws/ordinances in D.C. preclude the exercise of this right, since local laws/ordinances seem to block acquisition, and in order to exercise the above mentioned, recognized right to "keep and bear", one must have the right, the ability to legally acquire, a right or ability that, in D.C., seems conspicuous by its' absence. Curious, or so it appears to me. |
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Well, interesting you asked. Congress has no law enforcement authority of it's own. It refers pwpssible criminal acts for investigation to... Wait for it... The Department of Justice. -------------------------------- Lacking law enforcement authority, The Congress retains what has been described as The Power of The Purse. Whether or not it has the intestinal fortitude to exercise that power could be, and perhaps is that often mentioned "different story". I suppose that we shall see. |
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Alan, that's why DC is going to lose in court. Again.
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Federal law, to which even the District of Columbia is subject, recognizes (at least for purposes of firearms acquisition) dual residency. That is, if I live in St. Louis, MO, for most of the year but I OWN a vacation home in Taos, NM, during whatever periods of time I live in MY vacation home in Taos I am considered a resident of New Mexico and I can legally purchase firearms in New Mexico.
So what about time shares? A time share is like a condominium (or maybe a cooperative), is it not? If I buy into a time share, am I not an owner? So what's stopping an enterprising group from establishing a time share somewhere in the Poconos or western Pennsylvania, or western Virginia, conveniently close to a gun shop or three. Prospective DC gun buyers buy a share of time, go spend a week or two weeks at their vacation residence, buy the gun and legally bring it back to DC. If they only want that gun ... they then sell their time share to the next prospective DC resident who wants to buy a gun. |
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You also have to contend with THIS. It will be kinda hard to present a valid state issued identification during the purchase of a firearm in a state where you only spend two weeks. It takes longer than that to get a new DL and temporary IDs are not valid..
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Contempt of Congress is a civil breach and treated as such in the courts. Congress has no law-enforcement powers of its own, but may sue other branches for failing to comply with constitutional requirements and hold those responsible up to a civil trial in a the public light. Multiple convictions of contempt (or other constitutional violations) can form the basis of solid evidence for impeachment (but is not a requirement, it just bolsters the case). Quote:
In other words, if you're a D.C. resident and go to State X to reside in a condo for 2 months, State X may still require you prove that you are a bona fide resident of State X. "Resident" may be defined as being employed in the state and/or paying income taxes to the state and/or being resistered to vote in the State. It's likely that if you live in NJ or MA and register to vote in TN so you can buy guns there, local MA or NJ law may strip you of your resident status. That could have other legal repercussions -- such as paying extra taxes for your kids to attend local schools. (the bureaucracy never ends).
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Please take the discussion of residency requirements to a thread, such as Lane v. Holder, which is the exact nature of that case.
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The Supreme Court held the Act did not violate separation of powers because the AG was under no obligation to appoint counsel and could remove counsel for good cause. Bottom line, I think it unlikely a true independent counsel could be appointed. What are the chances Eric Holder would do so? That's assuming Congress passed such a statute again. |
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The U.S Attorney attempted to take Carter's Country to a federal grand jury for straw purchases. The U.S. Attorney quietly dropped all charges and the egg off his face when he learned the ATF had authorized the purchases as part of the operation.
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