What WONT a 12gauge with slugs or sabot kill? Bear etc? - Page 2

Scattergun Bob · December 14, 2009, 02:13 PM

I beg to differ with you, I have seen the guns and ammo in Mombassa, Kenya at the old A&F trade shop. 4 and 8 SMOOTH bore double barrels. They also had cartridge boards showing some very impressive slugs used in the mid 1800's.

So, you may say "No" but I say "YES"

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BigJimP · December 14, 2009, 03:50 PM

Hey, I have "stones" ..... oh wait, those were gall-stones ---and they took those out .....

good to see you around Bob ..

CraigC · December 14, 2009, 03:50 PM

That's cool, I didn't say they didn't make shotguns of that size. But there were indeed 4 and 8 bore rifles. As I stated, they used brass cases, real bullets, lots of powder and had rifled bores. Some are still being produced on a limited basis.

Maybe you should call Ross Seyfried, who owns and shoots these monsters, that he's wrong in calling them "rifles"???

Scattergun Bob · December 14, 2009, 06:06 PM

Jim,
Sorry I haven't kept in touch, good to hear from you too. My PM center here in the forum stopped working ? Just the other day I received a covey of OLD messages from you and Pete, I try to catch up!

Good Luck and Be Safe

BigJimP · December 14, 2009, 06:25 PM

I'm sure its a technical problem .... "can't be an operator issue"....

which reminds me, I have to put my cell phone away tonite, 4 of the local grandkids are coming over to make cookies ( and one of them will screw with my cell phone just to aggravate me ...) ...

Stay well Bob .

DG45 · December 14, 2009, 10:30 PM

As I recall from my youth in the 1950's ,African Safaris were pretty much only the milieu of wealthy "white hunters" who could (a)afford such an expedition and (b) afford the expensive specialty rifles and cartridges used in this type of hunting. These rifles were almost cannons, and the cartridges they used were almost cannonballs. Specialty rifles were neccesary because Rhinos and Elephants and Tigers and Lions don't go softly into that good night. However, being financially able to afford these cannons didn't neccesarily confer shooting skills upon the owners, and since many of them were "adventurers"; and not really skilled hunters, and because some of them might flinch (in some cases) when firing a cannon while facing a tiger, savvy safari organizers always had a couple of trusted natives standing nearby (just out of the photos) with double-barrel shotguns, just in case Bawana missed or wounded that tiger or Rhino. These guys were counted upon to kill such a charging animal with a barage of shotgun blasts. I always assumed these guns were 12 gauge loaded with something like 000 Buckshot, but they may have been bigger than 12 gauge, and they may have been loaded with slugs instead of shotshells..

EnoughGUN · December 14, 2009, 11:05 PM

OK, it seems like a 12gauge will dispatch almost anything pretty well but is a little iffy on thicker skinned or boned animals. A slug has massive energy but not the hardness to penetrate some things well. Seems the answer would be a huge bore bullet in a sabot like a muzzle loader uses. I'm surprised someone has not done something like this but I can't find anything like it on the net.

rbernie · December 14, 2009, 11:29 PM

http://www.brennekeusa.com/

StiveC2007 · December 14, 2009, 11:44 PM

The only thing that a 12ga wont kill is a Manbearpig super serious you cant kill a manbearpig with a 12ga no way no how

.351winchester · December 15, 2009, 01:47 AM

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However, a 45-70 loaded with Garrett Cartridges can and HAS taken every big, dangerous land animal on the planet. I don't know if there is a better choice than that.

Is that safe in a Marlin GG? I know .45/70 can be cranked up to damn near .458 Win Mag...I wouldn't wanna try that with a Cobray Ladies' Home Companion, Thunder-5 or even a Contender carbine

Thx for the Dixie link (and Dupleks), looks like some more cool oddball stuff to stick in the ol' 12 ga. ammo can

mathman · December 15, 2009, 02:05 AM

Yes, it's safe in a Marlin GG...in fact, that is exactly what they used. Just go to Garrett Cartridges website and check it out.

.351winchester · December 15, 2009, 02:49 AM

I will but...these are EBR investment times.

Have wanted to check out their bear rolling .44 Mag loads too though

December 14, 2009, 02:13 PM	#26
Scattergun Bob Senior Member Join Date: February 29, 2008 Location: Nine Mile Falls, Washington Posts: 1,186	CraigC I beg to differ with you, I have seen the guns and ammo in Mombassa, Kenya at the old A&F trade shop. 4 and 8 SMOOTH bore double barrels. They also had cartridge boards showing some very impressive slugs used in the mid 1800's. So, you may say "No" but I say "YES". __________________ First, with the most, WINS! Regards, Scattergun Bob

December 14, 2009, 06:06 PM	#29
Scattergun Bob Senior Member Join Date: February 29, 2008 Location: Nine Mile Falls, Washington Posts: 1,186	BigJimP Jim, Sorry I haven't kept in touch, good to hear from you too. My PM center here in the forum stopped working ? Just the other day I received a covey of OLD messages from you and Pete, I try to catch up! Good Luck and Be Safe __________________ First, with the most, WINS! Regards, Scattergun Bob

December 14, 2009, 11:05 PM	#32
EnoughGUN Senior Member Join Date: May 20, 2009 Posts: 538	OK, it seems like a 12gauge will dispatch almost anything pretty well but is a little iffy on thicker skinned or boned animals. A slug has massive energy but not the hardness to penetrate some things well. Seems the answer would be a huge bore bullet in a sabot like a muzzle loader uses. I'm surprised someone has not done something like this but I can't find anything like it on the net. __________________ GLOCK Austrian for Lemming

December 14, 2009, 11:29 PM	#33
rbernie Senior Member Join Date: August 10, 2004 Location: Plain Ol', TX Posts: 713	http://www.brennekeusa.com/ __________________ -A conclusion is not a destination, it's simply a convenient place to stop thinking.- -Reading a thing doesn't automatically make it so; repeating it doesn't necessarily make it any truer.- -Every Texan should be a member of the Texas State Rifle Association.

December 15, 2009, 02:05 AM	#36
mathman Senior Member Join Date: January 15, 2005 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,531	Yes, it's safe in a Marlin GG...in fact, that is exactly what they used. Just go to Garrett Cartridges website and check it out. __________________ Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear to be bright until you hear them speak.

December 14, 2009, 03:50 PM	#27
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 13,195	Hey, I have "stones" ..... oh wait, those were gall-stones ---and they took those out ..... good to see you around Bob ..

December 14, 2009, 03:50 PM	#28
CraigC Junior member Join Date: November 28, 2001 Location: West Tennessee Posts: 4,300	That's cool, I didn't say they didn't make shotguns of that size. But there were indeed 4 and 8 bore rifles. As I stated, they used brass cases, real bullets, lots of powder and had rifled bores. Some are still being produced on a limited basis. Maybe you should call Ross Seyfried, who owns and shoots these monsters, that he's wrong in calling them "rifles"???

December 14, 2009, 06:25 PM	#30
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 13,195	I'm sure its a technical problem .... "can't be an operator issue".... which reminds me, I have to put my cell phone away tonite, 4 of the local grandkids are coming over to make cookies ( and one of them will screw with my cell phone just to aggravate me ...) ... Stay well Bob .

December 14, 2009, 10:30 PM	#31
DG45 Senior Member Join Date: January 5, 2009 Posts: 904	As I recall from my youth in the 1950's ,African Safaris were pretty much only the milieu of wealthy "white hunters" who could (a)afford such an expedition and (b) afford the expensive specialty rifles and cartridges used in this type of hunting. These rifles were almost cannons, and the cartridges they used were almost cannonballs. Specialty rifles were neccesary because Rhinos and Elephants and Tigers and Lions don't go softly into that good night. However, being financially able to afford these cannons didn't neccesarily confer shooting skills upon the owners, and since many of them were "adventurers"; and not really skilled hunters, and because some of them might flinch (in some cases) when firing a cannon while facing a tiger, savvy safari organizers always had a couple of trusted natives standing nearby (just out of the photos) with double-barrel shotguns, just in case Bawana missed or wounded that tiger or Rhino. These guys were counted upon to kill such a charging animal with a barage of shotgun blasts. I always assumed these guns were 12 gauge loaded with something like 000 Buckshot, but they may have been bigger than 12 gauge, and they may have been loaded with slugs instead of shotshells..

December 14, 2009, 11:44 PM	#34
StiveC2007 Senior Member Join Date: April 17, 2009 Posts: 237	The only thing that a 12ga wont kill is a Manbearpig super serious you cant kill a manbearpig with a 12ga no way no how

December 15, 2009, 02:49 AM	#37
.351winchester Junior member Join Date: December 31, 2005 Location: MI Posts: 1,013	I will but...these are EBR investment times. Have wanted to check out their bear rolling .44 Mag loads too though