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April 13, 2008, 10:14 PM | #1 |
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Laws regarding handload purchases?
Since I've yet to purchase reloading equipment, can I purchase .38 low pressure wadcutters from an amateur reloader who doesn't operate as a commercial business? (You know, just a couple hundred rounds a month with a return of the brass.)
If so, what shipping regulations apply? I really need to practice more with my SD revolvers, so I'm looking for a more economical source for paper punching. Thanks for the info. |
April 13, 2008, 10:52 PM | #2 |
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Selling reloaded ammo without a license to do so is a violation in most jurisdictions.
For practical purposes, it would be foolish to do so. There are too many variables to control to trust an amateur reloader's rounds. Reloading with someone is one thing, going out and shooting someone else's is not a good thing to do. Please try to find a local licensed reloader.
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April 13, 2008, 10:59 PM | #3 |
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Thank, grandpa, I figured as much.
And, not to worry, I wouldn't shoot anything reloaded from someone I didn't know and trust or who didn't have good, local references. Guess I better lay out the cake for that reloading equipment and get to doing it myself! |
April 13, 2008, 11:08 PM | #4 |
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To manufacture ammunition for sale without a federal license to do so is against federal law.
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April 14, 2008, 12:11 AM | #5 |
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most reloaders take pride in what they do, I don't know any that would turn you down if you ask them to help you get started ,I've started many on the way if they buy the dies powder bullets I help them learn to use my equipment ,gives the beginner the feel at minimal cost , most quickly move on with their own equipment and a few decide it's not for them, but at least in didn't cost them an arm & leg to find out.
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April 14, 2008, 01:53 AM | #6 |
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What is the exact law?
Ok, for me to sell reloads for a profit is illegal. Is it still illegal for the reinbursment of components? And or charging for the time I spent working? This could probably be debated as a wording question. Not one I would like to go to court against.
I haven't sold, made or am thinking of doing so. Just G-wiz asking.
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April 14, 2008, 06:50 AM | #7 |
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The law says reloading and selling ammunition without a Class 06 FFL is illegal.
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April 14, 2008, 07:05 AM | #8 |
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Doc540--
If you need some help picking and choosing equipment on a shoe string budget that will get you started safely, we can do that. It won't be high-speed production, but it will be a start, and it won't be cheaper than two boxes of ammo, but it will be quality tools that you will still be able to use even if you end up reloading a dozen calibers 10 years from now.
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April 14, 2008, 08:49 AM | #9 |
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The type 06 FFL is for ammunition manufacturing. A license to sell ammunition is not required. I make ammunition, I am licensed with a type 06 FFL. If you make bullets, powder, primers, or brass casings, you are manufacturing ammunition and you need an 06 FFL. If you cast lead alloy bullets and sell them, you are manufacturing them and need to be licensed. If you pick up range brass, clean it and sell it, you did not manufacture it so you don't need the FFL.
The ATF's position is that any exchange of goods or services in exchange for ammunition constitutes an attempt to make a profit and would require licensure. If you pay someone for the components, wear and tear on their machine, etc, they are in big trouble. If you manufacture ammunition and sell only at gun shows, a license is not required. If you use the customer's brass and give that EXACT brass back to them reloaded, there is no Federal Excise Tax due. Certain government agencies are also tax exempt, but not all Federal agencies are, even Federal LE agencies. |
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April 14, 2008, 09:44 AM | #11 |
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Have the friend come over and help you reload... But don't try to get cute and have him pull the handle on one shell and then sell him boxes of ammo... BATF and the federal judges take a dim view of gun law violations...
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April 14, 2008, 01:07 PM | #12 |
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Great information and a really great answer Freakshow. Thanks.
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