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Goex Sold to Hodgdon
There's some posts on another forum relating to the sale of Goex to Hodgdon, the manufacturer of Pyrodex and 777.
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January 6, 2009, 01:41 PM | #2 |
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Thanks for the information. Looks like time for me to order a case of Goex 3F Pinnacle.
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January 6, 2009, 02:50 PM | #3 |
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The down side of goex pinnacle is that it is very drity
and it as bin out for a long time now, they use it in the black dawg cases in 45s and so on, but you can not beat real bp which pinnacle is not, but each to their own.
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Someone from Germany speculated that since Hodgdon products are being distributed there but not Goex, maybe Goex will become available in the future.
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January 13, 2009, 12:34 AM | #5 |
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Black powder is not an anachronism. It is not just for those of us who burn it and love the smell.
It is the greatest part of the charge of large artillery propellants. 16 inch battleship charges used some 450 pounds per shot. I would think that 8 and 6 and 5 inch rounds would be the same. BP can achieve 100,000 PSI chamber pressure, under the right circumstance, and I would think the US Military knows what that is. Watch a BB shoot and question why there are such big clouds of smoke from the muzzles. I think "smokeless" is supposed to be just that, smokeless. ANybody ever watch "Under Siege", with Steven Segal? Watched it again last night. Might rerun it when I leave here. I like him, love that battlewagon. Cheers, George |
January 13, 2009, 01:48 AM | #6 |
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I believe battleship charges were cordite...
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Here's another reported development:
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January 13, 2009, 07:02 AM | #9 |
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I understand that the bulk of the charge in those 16 inch guns is a smokeless propellent but a small bag of black powder (also called gunpowder) was used just ahead of the breach for the primer to ignite and get the chamber pressure up to the range where smokeless powder burns efficiently.
With smokeless powder, the primer's job is not just to ignite the powder, it also creates the initial pressure in the chamber so that the smokeless powder burns fast right away. If you only set smokeless on fire, you get bloopers. |
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I would agree that black powder is not an anachronism. However, the reference to it's use in 16 inch, or even 5 inch, naval guns doesn't make that point; there is no greater anachronism than a battleship's main batteries, and even the ubiquitous 5 inch gun is fast disappearing.
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January 13, 2009, 10:21 PM | #11 |
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The navy calls it "Navy "cool" powder. Here is the info on the prop charge for the 16"/50 gun.
World War II Full Charge - 660.0 lbs. (299.4 kg) SPD World War II Reduced Charge - 305.0 lbs. (138.3 kg) SPD or SPDN World War II Reduced Flashless Charge - 325.0 lbs. (147.4 kg) SPCG Post World War II Full Charge - 655.0 lbs. (297.1 kg) D839 Post World War II Reduced Charge - 305.0 lbs. (138.3 kg) D840 Post World War II Reduced Flashless Charge - 325.0 lbs. (147.4 kg) D845 |
January 15, 2009, 08:04 PM | #12 |
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TO post #7
After reading that, true or not i am glad i was smart in thinking i will KEEP my bp cans just incase.
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