June 17, 2013, 05:39 PM | #1 |
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Reciprocity question
Greetings , my first time in this particular forum, I hang around " Hand guns semi auto " usually but I had a question about reciprocity. I will be traveling from ohio thru Penn, Ny and Mass. I think they do not honor my CCW, is there anyway I can still take it with me ? bullets in glove compartment pistol in trunk. I really would like to carry it but I dont want to go afoul of the law. Any web site that would give me official answer? Thanks for taking the time to read my post.
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June 17, 2013, 05:49 PM | #2 |
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Check buckeye firearms website. You can also find the resipitory map there too.
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June 17, 2013, 06:00 PM | #3 |
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Thanks Garycw, I just came from that web site, and I know that the 3 states Im traveling through do not have reciprocity. My question is can I put bullets in glove compartment and pistol in trunk in those states. Really dont want to be break the laws.
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June 17, 2013, 06:31 PM | #4 |
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Sure. I don't see a problem with it. We do still live in the USA. That's the way guns were always transported before all the CCW licenses. The gun and bullits separate and not access able without exiting the vehicle
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Where are you going TO? That's a crucial question for determining whether or not the federal Firearms Owners Protection Act (FOPA) will apply. What it says is:
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I drive an SUV. Technically, to satisfy the FOPA I can transport any firearms in locked cases and just carry the ammo in the rear of the vehicle. To be safe (or, in current buzzwordish parlance, "out of an abundance of caution") I toss my ammo into an old Sears toolbox and slap a cheap padlock on that, too. |
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June 17, 2013, 07:10 PM | #6 |
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Thanks for the replies, I am coming from Ohio, traveling through Pa, NY and Mass, all three do not honor my CCW. I guess if I have to lock up everything it doesnt really matter if I do take them . They will not do me any good locked in my trunk. Thanks again.
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Also check out www.handgunlaw.us
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You'd probably be wise to leave them home, all things considered.
Unless things have changed for the better in New York (she said laughingly), traveling through that state can be problematic. New York law states that no one, resident or not, may possess a handgun without a permit, and they have a history of not honoring the FOPA Act. So, although you're legal under federal law, if you're pulled over and found with a gun in the car, the consequences may be unpleasant, and they'll take a long and costly time to sort out. And that's only if you're just driving through. Staying overnight would be a very bad idea.
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Do NOT travel through NY without a NY permit period. It could be very bad for your future.
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I placed a phone call to the NYS Police and asked about taking my rifle to the range to shoot, since I have an SUV I have no trunk. The trooper that I was talking to laughed and said I could tie it to the luggage rack on top of the SUV. He had a sense of humor, lol. Then he said seriously it is fine to have your rifle in the back of the SUV in a case with the ammo in a separate case or range bag. He also said the law to have guns in the trunk was a very very old law made to help stop poachers from having a loaded gun in their vehicle and shooting game out of the vehicle.
Possessing a hand gun in NYS without a permit is supposed to be a mandatory 1 year jail term, but in almost every instance it is reduced or pleaded down with no jail time. |
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ragwd: PA is not a problem, you can OC in PA, and vehicle carry on you OH permit. http://www.opencarry.org/?page_id=292
NY is a big problem. If you are transporting a concealable weapon through NY using the federal transportation law as protection, NY only recognizes the federal transportation law as an "affirmative defense", not as an exemption. A long gun (that is not an "assault weapon" per NY definition) is fine, just as long as it is not loaded in the vehicle. Massachusetts is another big problem, if that is your destination. I would suggest www.handgunlaw.us and read what is there for Massachusetts very carefully before you try to transport any weapon into, or through MA. |
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ragwd,
Aguila has asked, and is really hitting the most salient point. If Massachusets is yoru final destination, then Federal Law protecting interstate transportation (conveniently cited by AB) does not apply, because, if your Ohio CCW permit is not honored by Massachusets, then you cannot "posess and carry" your weapon (emphasis mine). Leave the gun at home. |
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In addition, Massachusetts is (or so I've been informed) similar to California, in that MA has a list of either guns that simply aren't legal to own in MA, or maybe it's a list of which guns ARE legal to own. Either way, they have a list. If MA is the destination state, I have to wonder if the make and model of the gun in question makes a difference. If it's a gun a MA resident can't buy today in MA, can a visitor even bring one into the state to have under his/her pillow when sleeping?
I don't know the answer to that, I'm asking. But I admit that it never occurred to me that MA might actually be the destination state, since the OP specifically wrote that he would be traveling "through" Massachusetts. Last edited by Aguila Blanca; June 20, 2013 at 03:48 PM. |
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Massachusetts does respect the FOPA act for people who are traveling through the state, but unless you're just passing through, you must have a Mass. license to possess (not just carry) a firearm. It's one of the reasons I left.
Non-resident licenses are available in principle, but I have no idea how hard it is to get one. http://www.mass.gov/eopss/firearms-r...residents.html
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Still don't know where you're headed TO. That's key.
Also, be aware that many LEO's consider a full magazine to be the practical equivalent of a loaded pistol. When I'm not able to legally carry all the way through to my destination, I always empty the magazines to avoid any unpleasant "gotchas" along the way. |
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Thanks all, like the other forums I visit, you guys are very helpful and I do appreciate all answers. Sorry it took so log to come back here, I have broken my hand and it needed a plate with 5 screws. Now to the question of final destination (no reference to popular movie) I am headed for Marthas Vineyard, Mass. Obviously you guys are really up on this subject, and I do heed your advice. I will not be taking any fire arms with me. It doesn't seem right, but its their state and their laws, so i will abide. I will always gives these states a wide berth in planning any future travels, I wonder how much commerce per year they lose because of this, Im sure they aren't worried about my few dollars. Thanks again to all that tried to help
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Have a great & safe trip. Buckeye firearms.com has a book they sell or a link to it for around $6 that covers all the states when traveling. I'm not sure there laws would be on pocket knives or types such as Kbars. Sometimes there more demonized than guns though.
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Sorry about your hand. That doesn't sound like a fun experience...
Enjoy your trip. Mass. firearms laws aside, Martha's Vineyard is a very nice place.
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Ouch. How's your recovery going?
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June 21, 2013, 06:23 PM | #23 |
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I have heard of non-residents being able to get LTC As. It is pricey though but if you go there alot it may be worth it.
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Last I knew, the MA non-resident LTC was easier to get than a resident permit, BUT ...
The non-resident permit is only valid for ONE year, and it's expensive ($100, IIRC). So to maintain a MA non-resident LTC will cost you $100 every year. Worth it? Not in my estimation. It's much easier to save the money and visit free states. http://www.usacarry.com/massachusett...formation.html |
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