(AK) Fairbanks militia leader calls courts 'criminal', threatens troopers

spacemanspiff · December 16, 2010, 03:17 PM

http://www.adn.com/2010/12/16/160743...lls-court.html

and the previous article that explains more of his beliefs:
http://www.adn.com/2010/12/11/159961...hallenges.html

Having not really researched state militia groups, how does Shaeffer Cox's personal beliefs compare to militia groups in the lower 48?
The little I have heard about militias in Alaska has led me to believe that they are made up of racists/white supremicists who have delusions of their worth to society.

Wildalaska · December 16, 2010, 03:26 PM

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The little I have heard about militias in Alaska has led me to believe that they are made up of racists/white supremicists who have delusions of their worth to society.

+1 on that. Wasn't this guy the annoying Ron Paul freakazoid I had to toss from the Arena premises in 2008?

With the gun laws we have up here, it's real hard to get arrested for a gun crime....

Carne Frio · December 16, 2010, 05:13 PM

Don't know the guy, but he seems a little too strange, even for Fairbanks.

kenno · December 16, 2010, 06:57 PM

Is it too late to nominate someone for the Darwin Awards?

TXAZ · December 16, 2010, 07:46 PM

Wow,
the guy has a pair. Nutty in the head, but he's got a pair.

I wonder what would happen with that same comment and stunt in other states?

jgcoastie · December 17, 2010, 12:30 AM

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The little I have heard about militias in Alaska has led me to believe that they are made up of racists/white supremicists who have delusions of their worth to society.

There's no indication that this person, as confused as he may be, belongs to the racist/white supremicist club. The implication that he does with no hard data to back it up is pretty petty and juvenile.

HorseSoldier · December 17, 2010, 04:42 AM

One can certainly be a jackass without being a racist, as this moron probably demonstrates. The idea that somebody who seems as off-kilter as Mr Cox here is allowed to carry concealed without any scrutiny is the downside of non-permitted CCW, as much as I love the policy in general.

musher · December 17, 2010, 11:35 AM

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The idea that somebody who seems as off-kilter as Mr Cox here is allowed to carry concealed without any scrutiny is the downside of non-permitted CCW

Your assumption that the scrutiny involved in a shall issue permit system would somehow eliminate the off-kilter (or freakazoid) element is not correct. Freakzoids with no records can get permits too. I've met some of them.

May issue systems tend to favor those with connections to those making the decisions,and work against those without. Generally the decisions don't have so much to do with the merits of each application as they do with the politics of the decision.

carguychris · December 17, 2010, 02:11 PM

You know, this guy's beliefs got me thinking about something.

From the first linked article:
http://www.adn.com/2010/12/16/160743...lls-court.html

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Cox claims he and all Americans are sovereigns, or kings and queens, and no one is required to obey laws unless not doing so would directly harm other sovereigns. Many of his claims center on the belief that President Abraham Lincoln subverted the original Constitution and replaced it with a copy that incorporated the United States.

OK, so if Lincoln replaced the original Constitution, this implies that the actions of the US government have been illegitimate since then. The US government purchased Alaska in 1867, after the end of the Lincoln presidency. Therefore, instead of making him a "sovereign", doesn't this make him a citizen of the Russian Federation?

**Mike Irwin** · December 17, 2010, 02:28 PM

Yikes what an idiot.

Brian Pfleuger · December 17, 2010, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CarGuyChris

OK, so if Lincoln replaced the original Constitution, this implies that the actions of the US government have been illegitimate since then. The US government purchased Alaska in 1867, after the end of the Lincoln presidency. Therefore, instead of making him a "sovereign", doesn't this make him a citizen of the Russian Federation?

That's funny right there. True, and funny.

Somebody needs to tell him. He seems like an ideal Russian citizen to me. Let's take an offering and buy him a one way ticket.

egor20 · December 17, 2010, 02:47 PM

"I can see Russia from my house"
of course you can, its you're front porch

johnbt · December 17, 2010, 08:30 PM

- "calls courts 'criminal', threatens troopers"

- "I wonder what would happen with that same comment and stunt in other states?"

He'd be jump starting a recording career as a rap artist?

thallub · December 18, 2010, 01:43 PM

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About a half-dozen supporters and members of the militia accompanied Cox at the hearing. Initially, militia member Ken Thesing spoke for Cox, calling himself Cox's representative and "counsel before God."

Sounds like there are at least seven nutcase freaks in that militia unit.

woodguru · December 18, 2010, 03:18 PM

The guy shows up where someone "believes their rights are being violated". For what? If he's going to be an effective advocate for others he needs to keep his own stuff in order to the letter of the law.

Talk about mixing issues, he wasn't going to need a gun where there is a significant police presence in the first place.

Unfortuneately the guy isn't going to get any sympathy support from mainstream americans, even in Alaska.

You know what they say about picking your battles. If he isolated himself to getting out from under the simple misdemeanor without mixing issues he wouldn't have any appreciable problems.

Carne Frio · December 18, 2010, 09:58 PM

You actually can see Russia from here. Little Diomede Island
is U.S. and very near is Big Diomede Island. Both are inhabited.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diomede_Islands

HotShot.444 · December 18, 2010, 10:13 PM

I must have missed the "gun" tie-in in this one, Rbernie. Did you?

Al Norris · December 18, 2010, 11:25 PM

Threads in this forum do not have to be gun related. This is not THR (.us or .org).

Threads do have to be related to a law or civil rights issue, however.

Not seeing any such critter in this thread ... Closed.

December 16, 2010, 03:17 PM	#1
spacemanspiff Senior Member Join Date: January 16, 2002 Location: alaska Posts: 3,498	(AK) Fairbanks militia leader calls courts 'criminal', threatens troopers http://www.adn.com/2010/12/16/160743...lls-court.html and the previous article that explains more of his beliefs: http://www.adn.com/2010/12/11/159961...hallenges.html Having not really researched state militia groups, how does Shaeffer Cox's personal beliefs compare to militia groups in the lower 48? The little I have heard about militias in Alaska has led me to believe that they are made up of racists/white supremicists who have delusions of their worth to society. __________________ "Every man alone is sincere; at the entrance of a second person hypocrisy begins." - Ralph Waldo Emerson "People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use." - Soren Kierkegaard

December 16, 2010, 07:46 PM	#5
TXAZ Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 2010 Location: McMurdo Sound Texas Posts: 4,322	Wow, the guy has a pair. Nutty in the head, but he's got a pair. I wonder what would happen with that same comment and stunt in other states? __________________ Cave illos in guns et backhoes

December 17, 2010, 02:28 PM	#10
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	Yikes what an idiot. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

December 17, 2010, 02:47 PM	#12
egor20 Senior Member Join Date: November 14, 2010 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 1,824	carguychris "I can see Russia from my house" of course you can, its you're front porch __________________ Chief stall mucker and grain chef Country don't mean dumb. Steven King. The Stand

December 18, 2010, 03:18 PM	#15
woodguru Senior Member Join Date: September 14, 2010 Location: Placerville, Ca Posts: 589	The guy shows up where someone "believes their rights are being violated". For what? If he's going to be an effective advocate for others he needs to keep his own stuff in order to the letter of the law. Talk about mixing issues, he wasn't going to need a gun where there is a significant police presence in the first place. Unfortuneately the guy isn't going to get any sympathy support from mainstream americans, even in Alaska. You know what they say about picking your battles. If he isolated himself to getting out from under the simple misdemeanor without mixing issues he wouldn't have any appreciable problems. __________________ Fiction is harder to write than the truth, fiction has to make sense, the truth can be unbelievable.

December 16, 2010, 05:13 PM	#3
Carne Frio Senior Member Join Date: August 28, 2008 Location: Near Fairbanks Alaska Posts: 829	Don't know the guy, but he seems a little too strange, even for Fairbanks.

December 16, 2010, 06:57 PM	#4
kenno Junior member Join Date: November 3, 2008 Posts: 180	Is it too late to nominate someone for the Darwin Awards?

December 17, 2010, 04:42 AM	#7
HorseSoldier Senior Member Join Date: February 27, 2006 Location: OCONUS 61°13′06″N 149°53′57″W Posts: 2,282	One can certainly be a jackass without being a racist, as this moron probably demonstrates. The idea that somebody who seems as off-kilter as Mr Cox here is allowed to carry concealed without any scrutiny is the downside of non-permitted CCW, as much as I love the policy in general.

December 17, 2010, 08:30 PM	#13
johnbt Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 1999 Location: Richmond, Virginia USA Posts: 6,004	- "calls courts 'criminal', threatens troopers" - "I wonder what would happen with that same comment and stunt in other states?" He'd be jump starting a recording career as a rap artist?

December 18, 2010, 09:58 PM	#16
Carne Frio Senior Member Join Date: August 28, 2008 Location: Near Fairbanks Alaska Posts: 829	You actually can see Russia from here. Little Diomede Island is U.S. and very near is Big Diomede Island. Both are inhabited. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diomede_Islands

December 18, 2010, 10:13 PM	#17
HotShot.444 Junior member Join Date: September 21, 2010 Posts: 112	"Gun"? What "Gun?" I must have missed the "gun" tie-in in this one, Rbernie. Did you?

December 18, 2010, 11:25 PM	#18
Al Norris Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 29, 2000 Location: Rupert, Idaho Posts: 9,660	Threads in this forum do not have to be gun related. This is not THR (.us or .org). Threads do have to be related to a law or civil rights issue, however. Not seeing any such critter in this thread ... Closed.