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November 9, 2012, 02:47 PM | #1 |
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Just bought a Rogers & spencer
Hi i Just bought a Rogers & spencer it has the S/N 3140 and markigs "B" all over
it its in relly good condition mechanically and relly nice barrel and stuff but the blueing is gone bad pic camera on my phone is not the best and it was abit dark Last edited by Da_swed; November 9, 2012 at 03:36 PM. |
November 9, 2012, 03:46 PM | #2 |
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Looks like it's solid. Hope you got a good deal on it. ~Craig
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November 9, 2012, 03:51 PM | #3 |
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it is verry solid thats why i bought it in the first place also im gonna use it for shooting
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November 9, 2012, 04:11 PM | #4 |
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Brother has the Italian copy of it and it's the nicest black powder civil war era pistol I've shot.
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Nice find Da_swed
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that is one sweet pistol!
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November 9, 2012, 08:02 PM | #7 |
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Sweet gun!! Mine is ser # 1449, no blue and it was rode hard and put away wet, still shoots well though. Wish it could talk!!
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November 10, 2012, 06:32 AM | #9 |
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I have a replica R and S and I like it. Shoots well and the design in easy to clean.
Not a bad looking revolver as well. You are to be congratulated on your find.
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November 10, 2012, 11:50 AM | #10 |
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so can anyone here tell me what loads and what bullets fits the rogers and spencer ?
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November 10, 2012, 12:26 PM | #11 |
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Da Swede, it'll hold up to 30+ g, but I'd start with 20 (3f), cause accuracy falls off with too much powder. I use a 454 rb and a lube pill under the ball above the powder, also #11 caps w/ a little "squeeze to them to get them slightly out of round.
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November 10, 2012, 12:49 PM | #12 |
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would .452 228gr conicals work whit this gun ? dound some on a site or are they gonna be to small ?
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November 14, 2012, 01:07 PM | #13 |
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how much power dose an old .44 caliber cap and ball revolver like this have
if u would compare it too any of the modern calibers ? |
November 14, 2012, 07:19 PM | #14 |
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Here's figures for a Remington with a 5.5 inch barrel. Pyrodex P is usually more potent than Goex black powder, and Swiss black powder can deliver slightly more power than Pyrodex P. The longer R&S barrel can deliver slightly more velocity too.
Gun Barrel Powder by Volume Bullet Weight Average Velocity Calculated Energy Calculated Momentum .44 Remington, 1858 5.5 inch 28 grains 3F Pyrodex 138 grain, .451 ball 593 ft/s 108 ft-lbs 11.69 ft-s .44 Remington, 1858 5.5 inch 32 grains 3F Pyrodex 138 grain, .451 ball 700 ft/s 150 ft-lbs 13.80 ft-s .44 Remington, 1858 5.5 inch 32 grains 3F Pyrodex 140 grain, .454 ball 850 ft/s 224 ft-lbs 17.00 ft-s .44 Remington, 1858 5.5 inch 35 grains 3F Pyrodex 138 grain, .451 ball 875 ft/s 234 ft-lbs 17.25 ft-s .44 Remington, 1858 5.5 inch 35 grains 3F Pyrodex 140 grain, .454 ball 945 ft/s 277 ft-lbs 18.90 ft-s .44 Remington, 1858 5.5 inch 35 grains 3F Pyrodex 143 grain, .457 ball 960 ft/s 292 ft-lbs 19.61 ft-s .44 Remington, 1858 5.5 inch 37 grains 3F Pyrodex 138 grain, .451 ball 950 ft/s 276 ft-lbs 18.72 ft-s .44 Remington, 1858 5.5 inch 37 grains 3F Pyrodex 143 grain, .457 ball 960 ft/s 292 ft-lbs 19.61 ft-s .44 Remington, 1858 5.5 inch 42 grains 3F Pyrodex 143 grain, .457 ball 1019 ft/s 329 ft-lbs 20.81 ft-s .44 Remington, 1858 5.5 inch 46 grains 3F Pyrodex 143 grain, .457 ball 1050 ft/s 350 ft-lbs 21.45 ft-s .44 Remington, 1858 5.5 inch 37 grains 3F GEOX Black Powder 140 grain, .454 ball 898 ft/s 250 ft-lbs 17.96 ft-s .44 Remington, 1858 5.5 inch 40 grains 3F GEOX Black Powder 140 grain, .454 ball 949 ft/s 280 ft-lbs 18.98 ft-s .44 Remington, 1858 5.5 inch 42 grains 3F GEOX Black Powder 140 grain, .454 ball 964 ft/s 289 ft-lbs 19.28 ft-s http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...=674419&page=2 Here's some one shot stop percentages: Cap and Ball Ballistics By Ed Sanow Handguns February 1998 Cap and Ball Wound Ballistics http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...ighlight=sanow Calibre Firearm Bullet FFFg Velocity Energy 1 Shot Stop .31 Pocket Baby Dragoon 46gr RB 11gr 821 fps 69 ft lb 30% .36 Navy Colt 1851 Navy 70gr RB 22gr 1038 fps 189 ft lb 59% .44 Army 1861 New Army 141gr RB 35gr 935 fps 274 ft lb 75% .44 Walker 1847 Walker 141gr RB 60gr 1287 fps 519 ft lb 87% .44 Calibre RB Ballistics 0.44 1860 Sheriff 141gr RB 30gr 756 fps 179 ft lb 59% 0.44 1861 New Army 141gr RB 35gr 935 fps 274 ft lb 75% 0.44 Ruger Old Army 141gr RB 40gr 1031 fps 333 ft lb 79% 0.44 1848 Dragoon 141gr RB 50gr 1181 fps 437 ft lb 85% 0.44 1847 Walker 141gr RB 60gr 1287 fps 519 ft lb 87% Cap and Ball versus Modern Cartridges .31 Pocket Baby Dragoon 46gr RB 11gr 821 fps 69 ft lb 30% .22LR Revolver 37gr LHP FL 975 fps 78 ft lb 29% .36 Navy Colt 1851 Navy 70gr RB 22gr 1038 fps 189 ft lb 59% 9mm S Semi Auto Pistol 88gr JHP FL 1000 fps 189 ft lb 59% .44 Army New Army 141gr RB 35gr 935 fps 274 ft lb 75% .44 Spl Revolver 200gr LHP FL 810 fps 292 ft lb 73% .44 Walker Walker 1847 141gr RB 60gr 1287 fps 519 ft lb 87% .41 Mag Revolver 175gr JHP FL 1250 fps 608 ft lb 89% Posted by Voodoochile Ballistics: Chronograph was placed 10' in front of the muzzle to get these results. Bullet = .457 143 grain Cast Round Ball. Powder = Goex FFFg black powder. Primer = Remington #11 5-1/2” Barrel Average Ballistics. 40gr. Volume = 916 fps. 266 ft. Lbs. 5.5” group @ 20 yards & Violent. 35gr. Volume = 838 fps. 222 ft. Lbs. OK punch with 4” grouping @ 20 yards. 30gr. Volume = 754 fps. 180 ft. Lbs. little recoil with 2.5” grouping @ 20 yards. 25gr. Volume = 667 fps. 141 ft. Lbs. almost not there but with having to use a wad my groups opened up to 3.2" @ 20 yards. Bullet = .456 220 grain Cast Lee conical bullet. Powder = Goex FFFg black powder. Primer = Remington #11 5-1/2” Barrel Average Ballistics. 35gr. Volume = 745 fps. 270 ft. lbs. No room, Violent, & 5” grouping @ 20 yards. 30gr. Volume = 672 fps. 220 ft. lbs. Recoil OK, Decent group of 3” @ 20 yards. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...ighlight=lever Last edited by arcticap; November 14, 2012 at 07:25 PM. |
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update just got home whent too the range too test fire the gun
one word wow it was relly relly fun first time ever fireing a bp revolver but i do need too get a powder measure someone recomended too use an emty 38. special but i dint have one i did use an emty 9x19 too fill up whit powder i have no idea how many grains that was! and when i was finished i did find a 357. magnum shell can i use that ?and dose anyone know how many grains of bp that holds ? |
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.357 mag shell holds 27 grains.
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November 17, 2012, 01:32 PM | #18 |
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ty so much for the info Beagle333 27 grains sonds like a good load i think t
the r&s holds 30+ like someone here said i wonder how much the 9x19 luger holds that i used today |
November 17, 2012, 01:51 PM | #19 |
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The 9×19mm Parabellum holds 13 grains, according to Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9%C3%9719mm_Parabellum |
November 17, 2012, 02:16 PM | #20 |
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so that would mean shoot some relly weak loads today and i was relly
nervous the whole time and towmorow il be shooting much hoter loads if im gona use the 357.shell ihope everything will work ok nervous just thinking about it i |
November 29, 2012, 05:27 PM | #21 |
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flask
i shoot an R&S by Euroarms and use triple seven is very easy to clean and I use 15grns you must get a flask to mesure or you wont get consistancy I allso use pre lubed wads and make up powder loads in cigaretts papers wraped around a pencil and filled from a flask putting the lot in the cylinder it splits as you load it and fires great,its just a timesaver during competitions that you may like to try,don't overdo the loads it wasts powder and damages the gun
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thanx for the info,i will try it as soon as i can, but atm my sight is broken so
i orderd a new one for my original roger and spencer from peterdyson in the uk http://www.peterdyson.co.uk/acatalog...revolvers.html im also thinking about trying the powderloads in cigarett papper shuld save me alot of time Quote:
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I would NOT use Hodgdon 777 in that fine, old original revolver.
It's tricky stuff, subject to pressure jumps when compressed too heavily. Hodgdon itself notes in its section on loading black powder cartridges: Loading density should be 100% with light compression not to exceed .100inch. Testing has shown that Triple Seven will perform best when the bullet just touches the powder. Allow no airspace between the base of the bullet and the powder. Do not reduce loads by means of filler wads or inert filler material such as Grits, Dacron or Grex. Do not heavily compress powder charges. The use of filler wads, inert fillers or heavy compression may cause a dangerous situation, which could cause injury and/or death to the shooter, bystanders or damage property. Now, while the above specifies cartridges, a wise muzzleloading shooter will also heed this advice though he doesn't use brass cartridges. Clearly, Hodgdon is warning that too much compression can cause problems. Here's what Hodgdon has to say about using 777 in percussion guns: Select the proper charge from the loads listed in this brochure. Set powder measure as indicated. While holding the firearm vertically, slowly pour the measured charge of Triple Seven or Pyrodex into the barrel. Seat the projectile firmly against the powder . Make sure that there is no airspace between the powder and the projectile. Because your revolver is original, and its metallurgy was not as precisely controlled as today's guns, I'd avoid 777 altogether. Use Pyrodex P or FFFG black powder.
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Gatofeo, good call, I think Swiss also has higher pressures so I'd stay away from that too.
Da_Swede, 2f bp will work as well if that's all you can find. |
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