Remington 20 gauge model 11 Sportsman

wyboo · March 6, 2015, 04:08 PM

I am new to the forum and am not sure if I am posting this in the right place but here goes. I inherited a great little 20 gauge Model 11 Sportsman from my father. This is the Remington that was manufactured on the Browning patent. It has a lot of sentimental value. My father used it to harvest a lot of quail and doves and my son killed his first buck with it. It quit working properly so I took it to a gunsmith and he said that the locking bolt was broken and he could not find a replacement part. Do any of you folks know how I can find a part for this gun? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Snyper · March 6, 2015, 04:20 PM

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Do any of you folks know how I can find a part for this gun?

Try:
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/

Dixie Gunsmithing · March 6, 2015, 09:17 PM

The bolt lock is a part I've never seen fail. Anyhow, you may want to check the parts design, as I seem to recall Remington changing something on these. If nothing else, take it out, and take a photo. E-mail it to Gunparts (Numrich), or others, along with a description, gauge, etc., and let them match it.

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/1408100.htm

gunnut69 · March 6, 2015, 10:01 PM

don't know about the Remington's for certain but the older A5's used a bolt locking block with a narrower guide ridge. This means the locking block AND the bolt would need replaced... The older locking blocks are not available BUT a newer block can be fitted. It entails thinning the guide ridge with a moto tool from the inside. This can be done by hand and the small sanding spindle fits just right. You will also likely have to adjust the end clearance on the blocks protrusion thru the barrel extension. Worked over an A5 for a friend and it worked out well. I've not done this with a 20...

**4V50 Gary** · March 7, 2015, 11:30 AM

I'm wondering if it's something as simple as the friction ring not being set up right.

BTW, try Jack First in Montana for parts.

Snyper · March 7, 2015, 01:59 PM

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I'm wondering if it's something as simple as the friction ring not being set up right.

A gunsmith would have noticed that

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I took it to a gunsmith

**4V50 Gary** · March 7, 2015, 02:24 PM

Snyper - I too noticed OP mentioned gunsmith. However, not all gunsmiths are gunsmiths. We all know there are no national standards or licensing boards. That smith may not be familiar with the Browning design. I have a gunsmith friend who doesn't know how to use a lathe or milling machine. Some guys are just armorers who can fix or adjust some parts. Heck, the guys in the blackpowder community wouldn't be considered gunsmiths but darn if they aren't better gunstockers or artists (inlays, wire inlay, engraving, metal fabrication, relief carving, finishers, patchbox makers) than my meagre skills can accomplish. Heck, some non-school guys here at this forum know more about some topics than I do and I've been to most armorer schools too. I'm glad they're here and sharing their knowledge freely.

BTW, I recently met a graduate from the Colorado School of Trade. It doesn't enjoy the reputation that the school I attended does, but he's a great businessman and has at least eight CNC machines that he owns. He also has an EDM machine. He's a gunsmith/businessman who isn't starving to death. Kudos to him.

wyboo - please post pics. The crew here is pretty good at these things. We've got some experienced gunsmiths here, some very experienced hobbyists and a overall great members who will help.

Clark · March 7, 2015, 04:23 PM

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A gunsmith would have noticed that

From what I have seen, other than the term "girlfriend" the term "gunsmith" has the widest range of what qualifies.
It is my understanding that to get a dealership FFL licence to do gunsmithing (type 01), one does not have to know one end of a screwdriver from the other. Just hang out a shingle and learn on other people's guns.

Dixie Gunsmithing · March 7, 2015, 07:56 PM

Clark, sadly, that's true. They at least should require graduation from a correspondence course, of an accredited school, where they will learn about chamber pressure, gun strength, etc, and ballistics, along with how all guns function.

natman · March 8, 2015, 11:42 AM

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It quit working properly so I took it to a gunsmith and he said that the locking bolt was broken

This sounds like a pretty specific diagnosis to me.

Now I suppose it's possible that the gunsmith is utterly incompetent and he just made up a story about a specific part being broken, but it's also possible that the guess about the friction rings being set incorrectly was a bit too generic.

At least the gunsmith has actually seen the gun in question.

March 6, 2015, 04:08 PM	#1
wyboo Junior Member Join Date: March 6, 2015 Posts: 1	Remington 20 gauge model 11 Sportsman I am new to the forum and am not sure if I am posting this in the right place but here goes. I inherited a great little 20 gauge Model 11 Sportsman from my father. This is the Remington that was manufactured on the Browning patent. It has a lot of sentimental value. My father used it to harvest a lot of quail and doves and my son killed his first buck with it. It quit working properly so I took it to a gunsmith and he said that the locking bolt was broken and he could not find a replacement part. Do any of you folks know how I can find a part for this gun? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

March 7, 2015, 11:30 AM	#5
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,838	I'm wondering if it's something as simple as the friction ring not being set up right. BTW, try Jack First in Montana for parts. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

March 7, 2015, 02:24 PM	#7
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,838	Snyper - I too noticed OP mentioned gunsmith. However, not all gunsmiths are gunsmiths. We all know there are no national standards or licensing boards. That smith may not be familiar with the Browning design. I have a gunsmith friend who doesn't know how to use a lathe or milling machine. Some guys are just armorers who can fix or adjust some parts. Heck, the guys in the blackpowder community wouldn't be considered gunsmiths but darn if they aren't better gunstockers or artists (inlays, wire inlay, engraving, metal fabrication, relief carving, finishers, patchbox makers) than my meagre skills can accomplish. Heck, some non-school guys here at this forum know more about some topics than I do and I've been to most armorer schools too. I'm glad they're here and sharing their knowledge freely. BTW, I recently met a graduate from the Colorado School of Trade. It doesn't enjoy the reputation that the school I attended does, but he's a great businessman and has at least eight CNC machines that he owns. He also has an EDM machine. He's a gunsmith/businessman who isn't starving to death. Kudos to him. wyboo - please post pics. The crew here is pretty good at these things. We've got some experienced gunsmiths here, some very experienced hobbyists and a overall great members who will help. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

March 6, 2015, 09:17 PM	#3
Dixie Gunsmithing Moderator Emeritus Join Date: April 27, 2013 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,923	The bolt lock is a part I've never seen fail. Anyhow, you may want to check the parts design, as I seem to recall Remington changing something on these. If nothing else, take it out, and take a photo. E-mail it to Gunparts (Numrich), or others, along with a description, gauge, etc., and let them match it. http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/1408100.htm

March 6, 2015, 10:01 PM	#4
gunnut69 Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Posts: 40	don't know about the Remington's for certain but the older A5's used a bolt locking block with a narrower guide ridge. This means the locking block AND the bolt would need replaced... The older locking blocks are not available BUT a newer block can be fitted. It entails thinning the guide ridge with a moto tool from the inside. This can be done by hand and the small sanding spindle fits just right. You will also likely have to adjust the end clearance on the blocks protrusion thru the barrel extension. Worked over an A5 for a friend and it worked out well. I've not done this with a 20...

March 7, 2015, 07:56 PM	#9
Dixie Gunsmithing Moderator Emeritus Join Date: April 27, 2013 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,923	Clark, sadly, that's true. They at least should require graduation from a correspondence course, of an accredited school, where they will learn about chamber pressure, gun strength, etc, and ballistics, along with how all guns function.