Attention Holster Makers!

2cooltoolz · April 2, 2008, 02:49 AM

I am a civilian CHL (CCW) holder in Texas. I need a CONCEALED carry IWB holster! Leather loops, over-the-belt clips, big bulky J clips and C clips, are NOT concealed! VELCRO!!!?...give me a break!
I am a white collar technical type, not prone to wearing my shirttail out and, living on the Texas Gulf Coast, infrequently wearing a jacket. I can legally carry a gun, but I do not want to broadcast it, or be "rousted" by "Barney Fife" when I'm out with the family.
I need tuckable PLUS! I have owned Galco Deep Cover (my current favorite, due to the "bottom of holster" attachment, very tuckable), Ultra Deep Cover, USA, and various pocket and OWB. I have a Mitch Rosen "Workman" model, very like the DC Galco, but with a leather snap/loop (prefer the J hook)
I've owned Several "high ride" Bianchi's and model 100 professional IWB models (I like the high leather backing between skin and gun). I just bought the "new wave" Comp-Tac Minotaur...very comfortable, but my wife asked, "what is that on your belt?"
I have owned a couple of Pager-Pals...seems like a good idea, but uncomfortable and hard to use. What they do offer is a "camouflage" accessory to hide the attachment....well, yeahh...duuuh!
Elmer McEvoy makes a nice IWB holster with camouflage accessories, but I'm not sure if they (he) are still in business. I've emailed, with no response.

MY IDEAS:
I just bought an $70 Galco sport/casual gunbelt. How about making one for $90 that has interior "ammo style", but wider, loops for holster clips?
How about a Galco USA/UDC type skinny "J" clip holster with TWO clips, for each side of a belt loop, to better support the holster (the belt supports the loop)?
On the comp-tac style "C" clips, put the "clip"part on top, to clamp the holster, but be less obvious (shirttail loosely tucked would cover) on one of the two clips. The conventional would hold the holster down on draw. Probably conventional on front, reverse in back.
If you want to put a leather snap/loop over the belt, put a high mounted, lateral, "coat hanger" style loop on it to attach a cell phone hoster.
I've personally spent over $500 on holsters in the last 6 months (admittedly for several different firearms) and maybe $800-900 in my life.
People are paying $100+, plus the price of a gunbelt, for nice holsters, that are marginally concealed.
Camouflage, interior-belt-loops, dual skinny J-hooks...thats 15 minutes worth of ideas...I'm sure you pros can do better.....HELP!!!

I'm hoping to connect here...forgive me a few bumps...

2cooltoolz · April 3, 2008, 11:17 PM

Got an email from Elmer McEvoy, the guy who I mentioned in my Post above. He wants me to give him a call...might have found my holster!

Don H · April 4, 2008, 01:48 PM

The Milt Sparks VM-2 with the kydex clips that clamp onto the pants waistband and is hidden by the belt has worked quite nicely for me when I needed to exercise discretion.

Water-Man · April 4, 2008, 02:28 PM

Have you looked at Crossbreed?

armabill · April 4, 2008, 03:06 PM

Check out this place: http://www.ccwsupply.biz/ConcealTPAGE.htm

I bought one and used it several times. I love it!! It's the most comfortable
concealed carry I have ever had.

2cooltoolz · April 14, 2008, 10:35 PM

Bought a High Noon Holster, the "Alter Ego". It's very similar in design to Galco's discontinued Deep Cover, which I liked, but the High Noon is done SO much better! Instead of the behind the belt "J clip" the HN has a spring steel around the belt clip that fits perfectly on my 1 1/2" Galco belt. VERY stable. The body side of the holster has a high back shield between the skin and gun..like it. There is a sewn in plastic sight track and the whole thing is made of high grade saddle leather, rough side out. First Rate! Super comfortable.
Now the concealability factor...
Unlike my Minotaur this has only one large visible clip to hide. I started shopping Cell phone holsters. I found the right configuration in the NiteIze leather holsters. Great J-clip, best I've ever seen on a cell phone...too bad it had to be discarded. Drilled out the rivets, tossed the clip and slid on the clip on the High Noon. Voila! Not perfect... and I'd like a nicer phone holster, but it's a start and I'm looking.

2cooltoolz · April 14, 2008, 10:43 PM

Not perfect...but I'm stuck with what I can buy

2cooltoolz · April 21, 2008, 03:52 AM

I really think my best idea is the reverse ammo belt.

If a holster maker would make a casual, gun quality belt, like the Galco I am wearing in the pics, with small ammo type loops at the top, inside, not showing, and build their "tuckable" holsters with hooks to fit snug in the loops instead of clipping on the outside it would be more stable and more concealable.

Not so subtle bump.

2cooltoolz · April 21, 2008, 04:10 AM

In response to the suggestions.
Thanks for your time.

Yes, to the Milt Sparks VMII idea. I want one. I have a search running, looking for one in stock at a reasonable price, for my MK9, with alerts to my email.
To the Crossbreed, I checked it out and bought a Minotaur instead, which is very similar. Too big for me. It almost involves putting the holster on the pants, then getting dressed. Then you have those big clips. My Minotaur is comfortable and it is pretty concealable, except the clips. I'm keeping it because you can buy other "shells" to fit other handguns for $35. If I decide to start carrying one of my fullsize guns, this holster seems like the way to do it.
I've considered "garment" holsters as suggested, including the Smart carry and others...it just doesn't appeal to me. Not sure why.

My Comp-Tac Minotaur with my MK9:

April 2, 2008, 02:49 AM	#1
2cooltoolz Senior Member Join Date: September 17, 2007 Location: Lake Conroe, Texas Posts: 1,059	Attention Holster Makers! I am a civilian CHL (CCW) holder in Texas. I need a CONCEALED carry IWB holster! Leather loops, over-the-belt clips, big bulky J clips and C clips, are NOT concealed! VELCRO!!!?...give me a break! I am a white collar technical type, not prone to wearing my shirttail out and, living on the Texas Gulf Coast, infrequently wearing a jacket. I can legally carry a gun, but I do not want to broadcast it, or be "rousted" by "Barney Fife" when I'm out with the family. I need tuckable PLUS! I have owned Galco Deep Cover (my current favorite, due to the "bottom of holster" attachment, very tuckable), Ultra Deep Cover, USA, and various pocket and OWB. I have a Mitch Rosen "Workman" model, very like the DC Galco, but with a leather snap/loop (prefer the J hook) I've owned Several "high ride" Bianchi's and model 100 professional IWB models (I like the high leather backing between skin and gun). I just bought the "new wave" Comp-Tac Minotaur...very comfortable, but my wife asked, "what is that on your belt?" I have owned a couple of Pager-Pals...seems like a good idea, but uncomfortable and hard to use. What they do offer is a "camouflage" accessory to hide the attachment....well, yeahh...duuuh! Elmer McEvoy makes a nice IWB holster with camouflage accessories, but I'm not sure if they (he) are still in business. I've emailed, with no response. MY IDEAS: I just bought an $70 Galco sport/casual gunbelt. How about making one for $90 that has interior "ammo style", but wider, loops for holster clips? How about a Galco USA/UDC type skinny "J" clip holster with TWO clips, for each side of a belt loop, to better support the holster (the belt supports the loop)? On the comp-tac style "C" clips, put the "clip"part on top, to clamp the holster, but be less obvious (shirttail loosely tucked would cover) on one of the two clips. The conventional would hold the holster down on draw. Probably conventional on front, reverse in back. If you want to put a leather snap/loop over the belt, put a high mounted, lateral, "coat hanger" style loop on it to attach a cell phone hoster. I've personally spent over $500 on holsters in the last 6 months (admittedly for several different firearms) and maybe $800-900 in my life. People are paying $100+, plus the price of a gunbelt, for nice holsters, that are marginally concealed. Camouflage, interior-belt-loops, dual skinny J-hooks...thats 15 minutes worth of ideas...I'm sure you pros can do better.....HELP!!! I'm hoping to connect here...forgive me a few bumps... __________________ What me worry

April 3, 2008, 11:17 PM	#2
2cooltoolz Senior Member Join Date: September 17, 2007 Location: Lake Conroe, Texas Posts: 1,059	Got an email from Elmer McEvoy, the guy who I mentioned in my Post above. He wants me to give him a call...might have found my holster! __________________ What me worry

April 4, 2008, 01:48 PM	#3
Don H Senior Member Join Date: May 8, 2000 Location: SLC,Utah Posts: 2,704	The Milt Sparks VM-2 with the kydex clips that clamp onto the pants waistband and is hidden by the belt has worked quite nicely for me when I needed to exercise discretion. Last edited by Don H; April 5, 2008 at 05:28 PM.

April 14, 2008, 10:35 PM	#6
2cooltoolz Senior Member Join Date: September 17, 2007 Location: Lake Conroe, Texas Posts: 1,059	Here's What I've Got so far Bought a High Noon Holster, the "Alter Ego". It's very similar in design to Galco's discontinued Deep Cover, which I liked, but the High Noon is done SO much better! Instead of the behind the belt "J clip" the HN has a spring steel around the belt clip that fits perfectly on my 1 1/2" Galco belt. VERY stable. The body side of the holster has a high back shield between the skin and gun..like it. There is a sewn in plastic sight track and the whole thing is made of high grade saddle leather, rough side out. First Rate! Super comfortable. Now the concealability factor... Unlike my Minotaur this has only one large visible clip to hide. I started shopping Cell phone holsters. I found the right configuration in the NiteIze leather holsters. Great J-clip, best I've ever seen on a cell phone...too bad it had to be discarded. Drilled out the rivets, tossed the clip and slid on the clip on the High Noon. Voila! Not perfect... and I'd like a nicer phone holster, but it's a start and I'm looking. __________________ What me worry

April 14, 2008, 10:43 PM	#7
2cooltoolz Senior Member Join Date: September 17, 2007 Location: Lake Conroe, Texas Posts: 1,059	Page Two Not perfect...but I'm stuck with what I can buy __________________ What me worry

April 4, 2008, 02:28 PM	#4
Water-Man Senior Member Join Date: March 23, 2008 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 2,126	Have you looked at Crossbreed?

April 4, 2008, 03:06 PM	#5
armabill Senior Member Join Date: August 16, 2001 Location: Glenolden, Pa. USA Posts: 250	Check out this place: http://www.ccwsupply.biz/ConcealTPAGE.htm I bought one and used it several times. I love it!! It's the most comfortable concealed carry I have ever had.

April 21, 2008, 03:52 AM	#8
2cooltoolz Senior Member Join Date: September 17, 2007 Location: Lake Conroe, Texas Posts: 1,059	My Best Idea I really think my best idea is the reverse ammo belt. If a holster maker would make a casual, gun quality belt, like the Galco I am wearing in the pics, with small ammo type loops at the top, inside, not showing, and build their "tuckable" holsters with hooks to fit snug in the loops instead of clipping on the outside it would be more stable and more concealable. Not so subtle bump. __________________ What me worry Last edited by 2cooltoolz; April 21, 2008 at 07:25 AM.

April 21, 2008, 04:10 AM	#9
2cooltoolz Senior Member Join Date: September 17, 2007 Location: Lake Conroe, Texas Posts: 1,059	In response to the suggestions. Thanks for your time. Yes, to the Milt Sparks VMII idea. I want one. I have a search running, looking for one in stock at a reasonable price, for my MK9, with alerts to my email. To the Crossbreed, I checked it out and bought a Minotaur instead, which is very similar. Too big for me. It almost involves putting the holster on the pants, then getting dressed. Then you have those big clips. My Minotaur is comfortable and it is pretty concealable, except the clips. I'm keeping it because you can buy other "shells" to fit other handguns for $35. If I decide to start carrying one of my fullsize guns, this holster seems like the way to do it. I've considered "garment" holsters as suggested, including the Smart carry and others...it just doesn't appeal to me. Not sure why. My Comp-Tac Minotaur with my MK9: __________________ What me worry