How about brand new Webley .455's - Page 3

Model12Win · March 27, 2015, 04:45 PM

The Webley doesn't have NEAR the "love" as the SAA does in the United states: the largest gun buying group in the known universe.

I'd imagine most of the people who'd love a Webley clone... are not legally allowed to ever own one (i.e. Great Britain).

I sure wish they get made though, and in a caliber that's more common these days!

garyhan · March 28, 2015, 03:22 PM

A possibilty would be for Webley to offer a 12" barrel version, which would be UK legal (though weird).

gary

DPris · March 28, 2015, 05:07 PM

Still not enough market.
Denis

Model12Win · March 28, 2015, 05:37 PM

Only time will tell.

Maybe a Webley in .380 ACP would be good, should be low enough power and could use moonclips.

**44 AMP** · March 29, 2015, 09:49 AM

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Maybe a Webley in .380 ACP would be good

Not sure. I think maybe the .380ACP might be too high pressure to be a good fit in the original Webley gun design. The size would be ok, but even if the pressure is safe, still wouldn't be much market for a bulky revolver over a slim 7-8 (more?) shot auto.

DPris · March 29, 2015, 11:05 AM

I would not pay $1000+ for a large revolver with a heavy trigger & mediocre sights chambered for the .380 & VERY few others would, either.

That route could not fly.

Even if they built it on the smaller .38 frame.
Denis

Model12Win · March 29, 2015, 12:10 PM

Hmm... well this just makes me wonder, what cartridge will the new Webley be?

DPris · March 29, 2015, 12:50 PM

The large-framed Webley's only real appeal for most is in its nostalgia factor.
It IS a sturdy design, when fired with the calibers it was originally developed around, large frame or small frame.

It is NOT a superior revolver in either design, ergonomics, strength, or general utility.

Aside from the questionable "advantage" the ejection offers (which advantage is at least partially off-set by the inherent relative weakness of the design), it is harder to shoot well in DA, the sights are not very good, and it is overall less of a performer than a good revolver in a more available and/or powerful caliber with a better selection of bullet types for serious use.

I'm not knocking the classic, just pointing out it'll be a niche gun with most of its appeal as a curio, rather than a working gun.
Even more so if in a now-obscure caliber (.455) or a pipsqueak caliber (.380).

Denis

buck460XVR · March 29, 2015, 01:09 PM

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The large-framed Webley's only real appeal for most is in its nostalgia factor.

It is NOT a superior revolver in either design, ergonomics, strength, or general utility.

Aside from the questionable "advantage" the ejection offers (which advantage is at least partially off-set by the inherent relative weakness of the design), it is harder to shoot well in DA, the sights are not very good, and it is overall less of a performer than a good revolver in a more available and/or powerful caliber with a better selection of bullet types for serious use.

I'm not knocking the classic, just pointing out it'll be a niche gun with most of its appeal as a curio, rather than a working gun.

I think most folks with a curiosity of owning one of these knows this, or at least should. I think this gun and those that show an interest in it falls along the lines of those ranting for a "new" Python. Many talk the talk but will back off when the price tag finally shows up and they need to walk the walk.

johnwilliamson062 · March 29, 2015, 01:57 PM

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have NEAR the "love" as the SAA does

Also wouldn't have NEAR the supply. Like I said, thre must be ten or more SAA clones of some variation and MANY similar, but not quite clones. How many historic break tops are on the market?

I'd pay as much or more for a break top as I did for my Ruger single six. I wouldn't be able t get my VISA out fast enough. Probably up to $750 without pause.
Outside the 22lr I'm not very interested though. A novelty firearm I can't take to the range every trip is not a novelty I want to own.

Model12Win · March 30, 2015, 09:53 AM

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or a pipsqueak caliber (.380).

Not so. The British found the .38-200 to have excellent stopping power. The .38 special Super Police load, which had a 200 grain round nose bullet was also know to do much more damage than the standard 158 grain round nose.

**44 AMP** · March 30, 2015, 10:50 AM

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The British found the .38-200 to have excellent stopping power.

I have spoken with some British WWII vets, and read accounts from others (including WW I vets) that disagree with the use of "excellent" describing the .380's (.38/200, .38 S&W) stopping power. "Adequate" with the lead bullet, and "lacking" with the FMJ is what I heard from them. Other than the size & weight of the pistol, they were, as a group, much happier with the .455.

Other folks might have different opinions....

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The .38 special Super Police load, which had a 200 grain round nose bullet

This load has its drawback, as well. Tests showed that, fired from the regular 2 inch detective special, it would not reliably penetrate a (pre-safety glass) car windshield, although it would from the longer barreled service revolvers.

Clearly not a good choice for every gun.

DPris · March 30, 2015, 10:53 AM

Two things:

Do not confuse or equate the .38/200 with the .380 ACP.
The .38/200 did not have excellent stopping power.
Denis

micromontenegro · March 30, 2015, 11:09 AM

I find it weird that some are trying to point out that this thing is not a practical, modern gun. Of course it is not. If it ever comes to fruition, it will be a range toy and conversation piece. To pore over and have fun, not to take on the zombie apocalypse. As such, I would love to own one.

DPris · March 30, 2015, 06:18 PM

And as such, that's what limits its market.

Denis

wpsdlrg · March 30, 2015, 09:09 PM

Hmmm. I handled a Mark 1 a few weeks ago, which I happened to see in a local gun shop. Actually felt better in my hand than I expected. Interesting design - I wish the break action design was suitable for modern loads. The ergonomics are not bad, I think. However, the bore axis is WAY too high.

In summary, I find the Webleys to be interesting old guns and I appreciate them as historic artifacts. But, I have no real interest in owning one, let alone a modern version.

micromontenegro · March 31, 2015, 07:45 AM

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And as such, that's what limits its market.
Denis

Oh yes. I bet that (if they make it) they'll lose money on every single one. But it would be a classy move, that could bring other benefits.

Makes me recall when, for 2000, Nikon made a special run of the 50's S3 camera. Big effort, even bigger money loser. Each camera retailed at 1/3 of the cost, and even at that price point they were slow sellers. But Nikon thought it was such a prestige maker that they pulled a similar stunt in 2003.

rodfac · April 8, 2015, 09:58 AM

Thank goodness....the world's ugliest revolver is making a come back....and with the plethora of ammunition available for it, it should be an instant success!! Rod...an a polite "sorry for the sarcasm" for all of you who love this old war horse.

**4V50 Gary** · April 8, 2015, 11:16 AM

I'd like to see the final delivery price first.

I'd also like to see the Webley Fosbery semi-automatic revolver. It was mentioned in Bogart's The Maltese Falcon.

**44 AMP** · April 9, 2015, 11:04 AM

It was the gun used to kill Sam Spade's partner, Miles Archer.

Spade comments on it, "they don't make those anymore..."

lee n. field · April 10, 2015, 05:38 PM

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It was the gun used to kill Sam Spade's partner, Miles Archer.

I'm pretty sure that was a Webley-Fosbury.

johnwilliamson062 · April 10, 2015, 10:08 PM

I'm more than willing to pay good money for a range toy.
I'll pay even better money for a range toy that also has some sort of faux collector appeal.
I won't pay much money at all for a gun that is too expensive for me to take to the range and has legitimate historic predecessors on the market at a lower price. Why wouldn't I just buy an original off gunbroker if I wanted a true collector and conversation piece?

johnwilliamson062 · April 17, 2015, 10:06 PM

I just saw an auction end for a H&R sportsman premier nickel plated, probably not factory original from appearance. Not mentioned in description. It looked great, but the guns aren't super refined in any form.

The description listed pitted barrel with a picture to support.
AND said there were frame cracks. From the pictures I thought it might just be tooling marks, but wasn't sure. The condition of these items in addition to some dull edges is what lead me to doubt the near perfect nickel finish.

It went for a little over $500.

You don't think a NIB stainless WEBLEY in 22lr would fetch considerably more than that? Even double? There is no real competition.

Oh well, I remember all the predictions here the LCR would be a total flop.

April 8, 2015, 09:58 AM	#68
rodfac Senior Member Join Date: January 22, 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,623	Thank goodness....the world's ugliest revolver is making a come back....and with the plethora of ammunition available for it, it should be an instant success!! Rod...an a polite "sorry for the sarcasm" for all of you who love this old war horse. __________________ Cherish our flag, honor it, defend it in word and deed, or get the hell out. Our Bill of Rights has been paid for by heros in uniform and shall not be diluted by misguided governmental social experiments. We owe this to our children, anything less is cowardice. USAF FAC, 5th Spl Forces, Vietnam Vet '69-'73.

April 8, 2015, 11:16 AM	#69
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,833	I'd like to see the final delivery price first. I'd also like to see the Webley Fosbery semi-automatic revolver. It was mentioned in Bogart's The Maltese Falcon. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

April 9, 2015, 11:04 AM	#70
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,832	It was the gun used to kill Sam Spade's partner, Miles Archer. Spade comments on it, "they don't make those anymore..." __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

March 27, 2015, 04:45 PM	#51
Model12Win Junior member Join Date: October 20, 2012 Posts: 5,854	The Webley doesn't have NEAR the "love" as the SAA does in the United states: the largest gun buying group in the known universe. I'd imagine most of the people who'd love a Webley clone... are not legally allowed to ever own one (i.e. Great Britain). I sure wish they get made though, and in a caliber that's more common these days!

March 28, 2015, 03:22 PM	#52
garyhan Member Join Date: June 22, 2008 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 90	A possibilty would be for Webley to offer a 12" barrel version, which would be UK legal (though weird). gary

March 28, 2015, 05:07 PM	#53
DPris Member Emeritus Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 7,133	Still not enough market. Denis

March 28, 2015, 05:37 PM	#54
Model12Win Junior member Join Date: October 20, 2012 Posts: 5,854	Only time will tell. Maybe a Webley in .380 ACP would be good, should be low enough power and could use moonclips.

March 29, 2015, 11:05 AM	#56
DPris Member Emeritus Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 7,133	I would not pay $1000+ for a large revolver with a heavy trigger & mediocre sights chambered for the .380 & VERY few others would, either. That route could not fly. Even if they built it on the smaller .38 frame. Denis

March 29, 2015, 12:10 PM	#57
Model12Win Junior member Join Date: October 20, 2012 Posts: 5,854	Hmm... well this just makes me wonder, what cartridge will the new Webley be?

March 29, 2015, 12:50 PM	#58
DPris Member Emeritus Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 7,133	The large-framed Webley's only real appeal for most is in its nostalgia factor. It IS a sturdy design, when fired with the calibers it was originally developed around, large frame or small frame. It is NOT a superior revolver in either design, ergonomics, strength, or general utility. Aside from the questionable "advantage" the ejection offers (which advantage is at least partially off-set by the inherent relative weakness of the design), it is harder to shoot well in DA, the sights are not very good, and it is overall less of a performer than a good revolver in a more available and/or powerful caliber with a better selection of bullet types for serious use. I'm not knocking the classic, just pointing out it'll be a niche gun with most of its appeal as a curio, rather than a working gun. Even more so if in a now-obscure caliber (.455) or a pipsqueak caliber (.380). Denis

March 30, 2015, 10:53 AM	#63
DPris Member Emeritus Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 7,133	Two things: Do not confuse or equate the .38/200 with the .380 ACP. The .38/200 did not have excellent stopping power. Denis

March 30, 2015, 11:09 AM	#64
micromontenegro Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 2010 Posts: 647	I find it weird that some are trying to point out that this thing is not a practical, modern gun. Of course it is not. If it ever comes to fruition, it will be a range toy and conversation piece. To pore over and have fun, not to take on the zombie apocalypse. As such, I would love to own one.

March 30, 2015, 06:18 PM	#65
DPris Member Emeritus Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 7,133	And as such, that's what limits its market. Denis

March 30, 2015, 09:09 PM	#66
wpsdlrg Senior Member Join Date: August 18, 2009 Posts: 826	Hmmm. I handled a Mark 1 a few weeks ago, which I happened to see in a local gun shop. Actually felt better in my hand than I expected. Interesting design - I wish the break action design was suitable for modern loads. The ergonomics are not bad, I think. However, the bore axis is WAY too high. In summary, I find the Webleys to be interesting old guns and I appreciate them as historic artifacts. But, I have no real interest in owning one, let alone a modern version.

April 10, 2015, 10:08 PM	#72
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	I'm more than willing to pay good money for a range toy. I'll pay even better money for a range toy that also has some sort of faux collector appeal. I won't pay much money at all for a gun that is too expensive for me to take to the range and has legitimate historic predecessors on the market at a lower price. Why wouldn't I just buy an original off gunbroker if I wanted a true collector and conversation piece?

April 17, 2015, 10:06 PM	#73
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	I just saw an auction end for a H&R sportsman premier nickel plated, probably not factory original from appearance. Not mentioned in description. It looked great, but the guns aren't super refined in any form. The description listed pitted barrel with a picture to support. AND said there were frame cracks. From the pictures I thought it might just be tooling marks, but wasn't sure. The condition of these items in addition to some dull edges is what lead me to doubt the near perfect nickel finish. It went for a little over $500. You don't think a NIB stainless WEBLEY in 22lr would fetch considerably more than that? Even double? There is no real competition. Oh well, I remember all the predictions here the LCR would be a total flop.