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the crux of the issue from my perspective is do you want 357 mag stopping performance out of a semi-auto? If so, then you need to go hot with a 10. But if not, then you are loading down into performance territory covered by other cheaper calibers, although there is still likely a ballistics advantage to the 10 due to sectional density etc.
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wow!
Didn't mean to start all that ballistics businees. Simply rambling on about my 10mm and how I load it. But, if it has contributed to good discussion, all the better.
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I dont understand how Underwood wont endorse a stock Delta when you can buy comparable and even higher power loads from other manufacturers that do endorse theirs in a Delta?
Underwood: 200g ME:694ftlbs Doubletap: 200g ME: 750ftlbs Buffalo Bore: 200g ME: 703ftlbs (ive fired the Doubletap out of a stock barrel Delta just fine, no case bulge...)
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Notice they also list the Glock 20 with that high-power 220 lead bullet on Buffalo bore's site--I certainly wouldn't take that as an endorsement to fire lead bullets through my stock 20. I may have missed it--but I don't see any language on any of those sites that specifically endorses the use in any weapon--and only in the case of Buffalo Bore does it mention that it was tested in a Delta.
Speaking of ballistics and Buffaloe Bore's site--if you look at their energy tables very closely you'll see why the 10 is so attractive to hunters--there is negligible velocity and energy loss as well as very little bullet drop out to 50 yds and still delivers the goods past that. Since I've started firing and reloading the 10 I've learned a couple things about the cartridge. It is a cartridge unlike any other in the semi-auto world that I've loaded for--you are essentially squeezing magnum performance into that little case. Because of that, as you get into the hotter loads pressures tend to spike at a greater rate than with lighter loads. If for whatever reason that bullet does not feed into the chamber so that it's supported to the rebated rim--that's asking for trouble. My limited experience has shown so far that there is very little margin for error between loaded rounds and chamber tolerances--though the Glock stock barrel certainly has wider chamber tolerances than any of the after-market barrels I've used so far. I measure my cases and drop test them into the chamber for every round that goes through my Glock 20. I'm going to hazard a guess that a manufacturer like Underwood puts language up that specifically advises against using their ammo in a particular weapon as a liability waiver against someone who's weapon doesn't chamber the round properly and whatever the consequences might follow. I'm not picking on the Elite--it's a fine weapon (though a bit over-priced IMO just because it has the Colt name on it lol). |
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Not to pick on you but the 10mm is rimless. It is not a rebated rim.
I've always liked the look of a DE but prefer the strength of my 10mm. It's a 6-1/2" Shilen/Match Grade Machine barrel on my Contender. There's no such thing as a quick follow up shot but I have no worries about case support or strength of the action. |
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My 10mm pistols...
(All four of them + one revolver) shoot nice, spicy "full power" loads quite well. There are times when lighter loads are practical, but when I carry it "on the street" the "full-house" loads are what I count on to save my skin.
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