Is M18 Smoke grenade an NFA item?

Hunterpeaks · January 30, 2013, 10:51 AM

Anyone know if these are now? If not, anyone have some for sale? Want to use for upcoming paintball extravaganza.

Willie Sutton · January 30, 2013, 10:55 AM

^^ No, they are signaling devices.

If you want smoke, the easiest way to get it is to visit a boating store though.

Willie

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mboylan · January 30, 2013, 06:24 PM

The fuses are classified as HE requiring proper licenses and an NFA tax. The ruling occurredwithin the last few years.

Willie Sutton · January 30, 2013, 11:18 PM

^^ are you kidding?

Never underestimate silly. The fuzes are a percussion cap and a time delay powder train... that's it.

Willie

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m.p.driver · January 31, 2013, 03:41 AM

A fuse that you can put into a training grenade ,that has been altered,which is now live.That's why the fuse is a destructive device.

Willie Sutton · January 31, 2013, 08:08 AM

^^^ Google is a friend:

"Seems" like the fuze is now considered an explosive, but not a DD. It's in the same class as a blasting cap (which is silly) but it is not a DD subject to the NFA.

Stick it into a practice grenade filled with BP and you have a DD.

Better throw it fast, the delay of the powder train is about one second....

Willie

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LRChops · February 3, 2013, 03:45 AM

What would one cost?

RJay · February 3, 2013, 04:52 PM

LRChops, I mean no disrespect and I hope none is taken, but when I see a post such as that, well the hairs on my neck stand up

NH_Pilot · February 4, 2013, 09:56 AM

When I used M-18 and F-18 Smoke Canisters for airshow work I recall that they used to cost about $40 each. Bought them in bulk to hang on skydivers and airplanes. Actually used to remove the percussion fuse and convert them to electrical ignition.

The M-18 and F-18's are/were made by Alliant Techsystems, think the same folks who own a bunch of the ammunition manufacturing. I can only guess that they sold off the excess of government contracts to us civilians. They have to ship motor freight due the the hazmat rules.

There are other commercial sources for smoke generators that do not include a percussion fuse and look less like movie grenades. You may not know that for instance plumbers use smoke to find leaks in some types of vent pipes.

Be safe,

Wes

9mm · February 4, 2013, 02:38 PM

I seen a few at gun shows for like $60. I do not know if they are real or dummies.

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Hunterpeaks Member Join Date: June 16, 2011 Posts: 20	Is M18 Smoke grenade an NFA item? Anyone know if these are now? If not, anyone have some for sale? Want to use for upcoming paintball extravaganza.

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LRChops Senior Member Join Date: January 12, 2013 Location: Placer County Posts: 125	What would one cost? __________________ May God make smooth the path you follow!

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January 30, 2013, 10:55 AM	#2
Willie Sutton Junior member Join Date: January 26, 2012 Posts: 1,066	^^ No, they are signaling devices. If you want smoke, the easiest way to get it is to visit a boating store though. Willie .

January 30, 2013, 06:24 PM	#3
mboylan Senior Member Join Date: March 31, 2011 Posts: 120	The fuses are classified as HE requiring proper licenses and an NFA tax. The ruling occurredwithin the last few years.

January 30, 2013, 11:18 PM	#4
Willie Sutton Junior member Join Date: January 26, 2012 Posts: 1,066	^^ are you kidding? Never underestimate silly. The fuzes are a percussion cap and a time delay powder train... that's it. Willie .

January 31, 2013, 03:41 AM	#5
m.p.driver Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 552	A fuse that you can put into a training grenade ,that has been altered,which is now live.That's why the fuse is a destructive device.

January 31, 2013, 08:08 AM	#6
Willie Sutton Junior member Join Date: January 26, 2012 Posts: 1,066	^^^ Google is a friend: "Seems" like the fuze is now considered an explosive, but not a DD. It's in the same class as a blasting cap (which is silly) but it is not a DD subject to the NFA. Stick it into a practice grenade filled with BP and you have a DD. Better throw it fast, the delay of the powder train is about one second.... Willie .

February 4, 2013, 09:56 AM	#9
NH_Pilot Member Join Date: November 26, 2012 Posts: 33	When I used M-18 and F-18 Smoke Canisters for airshow work I recall that they used to cost about $40 each. Bought them in bulk to hang on skydivers and airplanes. Actually used to remove the percussion fuse and convert them to electrical ignition. The M-18 and F-18's are/were made by Alliant Techsystems, think the same folks who own a bunch of the ammunition manufacturing. I can only guess that they sold off the excess of government contracts to us civilians. They have to ship motor freight due the the hazmat rules. There are other commercial sources for smoke generators that do not include a percussion fuse and look less like movie grenades. You may not know that for instance plumbers use smoke to find leaks in some types of vent pipes. Be safe, Wes

February 4, 2013, 02:38 PM	#10
9mm Senior Member Join Date: January 9, 2011 Location: Land of the Free Posts: 2,834	I seen a few at gun shows for like $60. I do not know if they are real or dummies.