My new brasser

Hawg · May 18, 2009, 09:03 AM

A buddy on another forum gave me this .36 Remington Navy after my guns were stolen. Made in 78 with a capital P over a capital R and FIE on the butt and a three digit serial number. PR is a new one on me and the bluebook site is no help, neither is google. Haven't shot it yet but won't be long. Those .36 balls are soooo tiny.

He also sent a custom holster, 100 balls and wads and the neatest lil cleanin kit you ever saw.

noelf2 · May 18, 2009, 09:30 AM

Hawg, I have a .31 cal baby dragoon with the same P/R FIE on it. Brass framed and engraved. Was also made in early 70's. I traded for it when I was a kid in high school. Have had it since 1978. Mine's a POS now as I didn't treat it well in the early years.

I did a bit of research on manufacturer, but hit dead ends as well. Was obviously an FIE import, and made in Italy. Perhaps by ASM or Pietta.

grymster2007 · May 18, 2009, 09:38 AM

You know that you'll shoot it loose in about three cylinders, right? The Cap'n told me.

noelf2 · May 18, 2009, 09:53 AM

So I've heard as well! Better not shoot that one Hawg

Raider2000 · May 18, 2009, 09:59 AM

I also agree but from my understanding it's more like 1 cylinder, so it's just a wall hanger.

Hey bud, you have fun with your new piece & yeah those lil balls are cute arent they.

grymster2007 · May 18, 2009, 10:04 AM

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Hey bud, you have fun with your new piece

Ditto.... and Hawg; you got yourself a good pard in whoever gave you that!

olyinaz · May 18, 2009, 10:42 AM

GREAT looking piece! Economical to shoot as well.

Enjoy,
Oly

SamStafford · May 18, 2009, 10:46 AM

I think if you use a low powder load, that gun will last a long time. Just what I read on another gun forum. I love ALL 1858 Remmys.

Hawg · May 18, 2009, 11:34 AM

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I did a bit of research on manufacturer, but hit dead ends as well. Was obviously an FIE import, and made in Italy. Perhaps by ASM or Pietta.

Nope, not either one of them.

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You know that you'll shoot it loose in about three cylinders, right? The Cap'n told me.

He can go pee up a rope too.

grymster2007 · May 18, 2009, 11:37 AM

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He can go pee up a rope too.

OK Hawg, but when that thing is the length of an 1891/30 Mosin with the bayonet attached, you might be eatin' them words.

Hawg · May 18, 2009, 11:44 AM

If it gets to be the length of just the bayo I'll go ahead and eat them. Until then I hope he likes golden showers.

grymster2007 · May 18, 2009, 12:14 PM

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Until then I hope he likes golden showers

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Those .36 balls are soooo tiny.

I don't have any of those, but the 0 buckshot for the '63 Pocket look like BBs next to the .454s.

That is a nice lookin' brasser though! You'll let us know how it shoots? Oh... and post pics when the cylinder gap gets to be more 'n 'bout a 1/4".

CaptainCrossman · May 18, 2009, 02:53 PM

careful loading that Hawg, the brass frame Remingtons won't pull an arbor like the brass frame Colts, but they will warp/bend the frame- finding a replacement frame is like trying to find hen's teeth

JarYetz · May 18, 2009, 03:01 PM

Nice gun and neat little kit, Hawg.
I have to be honest though, I only came in here to see what the Cap'n would say about it being brass.

Smokin_Gun · May 18, 2009, 03:01 PM

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A buddy on another forum gave me this .36 Remington Navy after my guns were stolen.

Nice lookin' Rev Hawg I like it...a short bbl version too, Congrads man that's a nice gift.

grymster2007 · May 18, 2009, 03:02 PM

Thanks for showing up Cap'n; as you can see I've had a difficult time trying to convince Hawg of the dangers he faces. Maybe he'll take it better from you.

Shotgun Willy · May 18, 2009, 03:13 PM

That's the first Remmy I've seen by PR, whoever in the hell that is. Nice looking gun, and a good friend you've got there.

Well, not exactly true about it's being the first Remmy, I've seen. I've got an Italian copy of the 1863 Remington Contract Rifle-the Zouave-with PR on it. It's also marked DART, which I think was the importer....maybe. It's supposed to be .575 but I've finally gotten it to load well with a .562 RB. I've got a brass 1851 in .36, with no other marks, but PR on it, also. I've given up trying to figure out who they were. (until the next time it starts to bug me.)

Have fun with that little beauty.

noelf2 · May 18, 2009, 03:30 PM

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Nope, not either one of them.

Hawg, So what did you find out? Only thing mine says is "PR FIE Italy" on the butt. Also, on the right side of the barrel next to the loading lever screw there is a symbol and a "PN". I heard at one time that the PN was early Pietta.

D.Delozier · May 18, 2009, 04:11 PM

The PN is a standard Italian proof mark ,almost or maybe all recently made BP guns out of Italy have that mark.

Hawg · May 18, 2009, 04:13 PM

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Hawg, So what did you find out? Only thing mine says is "PR FIE Italy" on the butt. Also, on the right side of the barrel next to the loading lever screw there is a symbol and a "PN". I heard at one time that the PN was early Pietta.

I haven't found out anything yet. The PN is a Gardonne BP proof as is the shield. Early Pietta was FAP inside a diamond. Same as now but early ones didn't say Pietta.

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careful loading that Hawg, the brass frame Remingtons won't pull an arbor like the brass frame Colts, but they will warp/bend the frame- finding a replacement frame is like trying to find hen's teeth

Gun was made in 78 and is still tight. I fired 35 rounds through it today with most of them being 25 grs. and believe it or not it didn't fall apart in my hands, blow up or break any springs.
You need to get off your high horse and accept the fact that brass frame guns are good guns and here to stay. I've never been real crazy about the ones that aren't historically accurate but even I never went on rants about them the way you do. Do us all a favor Capt. and either get off it or go somewhere else to peddle your drivel, inaccuracies and falsehoods.

long rider · May 18, 2009, 05:56 PM

HH when i saw you post that brass remmi,
the first thing that came to mind was, the
captain is going to be all over you on that one

bring on the fireworks ye ha.

Hawg · May 18, 2009, 07:50 PM

Fired it today. Just went out back with some Coke cans so no target pics. Loaded up 20 grs. of Pyrodex RS, a wonder wad and a I presume .375 ball. First off the chamber didn't shave much of a ring so I'm thinking gonna need a .380 mold. After loading a few cylinders with that short lever am thinking .375 is just fine.

Started off at 25 ft. just to get a feel for it and even hit the can once. Recoil was almost non existent and it made a cute lil pop when it went off. I'm not real happy with it at this point. Loaded up 25 grs. and with the wad and ball the ball comes to just below the chamber mouth. Now we have a respectable amount of recoil and a nice boom(tho still kinda hi pitched). Also aforementioned can has six more holes in it now and is several feet further away. One shot went straight thru the bottom and two went thru the top. Hard to believe 5 grs. of powder made that much difference. I'm very happy with it now and while I still prefer a .44 I will be getting a playmate for this one one of these days. Prolly a 51 Navy. First I gotta sneak a .36 mold past the wife.

madcratebuilder · May 18, 2009, 10:06 PM

Nice looking Remmy. I have a 1858 by Navy Arms with FIE under the loading lever. It has smaller grips than my two Pietta's, it's a nice shooter.

Gbro · May 19, 2009, 06:43 AM

My Confederate Colt .44 has the PR on the butt also and I have struggled to find who made it.
I just had it apart for the 1st time yesterday. What a pleasure it was mucking out an open top compared to the Remmy style

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I can't wait to muck them up again

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May 18, 2009, 09:03 AM	#1
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	My new brasser A buddy on another forum gave me this .36 Remington Navy after my guns were stolen. Made in 78 with a capital P over a capital R and FIE on the butt and a three digit serial number. PR is a new one on me and the bluebook site is no help, neither is google. Haven't shot it yet but won't be long. Those .36 balls are soooo tiny. He also sent a custom holster, 100 balls and wads and the neatest lil cleanin kit you ever saw.

May 18, 2009, 09:30 AM	#2
noelf2 Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2008 Location: Stuart, VA Posts: 2,473	Hawg, I have a .31 cal baby dragoon with the same P/R FIE on it. Brass framed and engraved. Was also made in early 70's. I traded for it when I was a kid in high school. Have had it since 1978. Mine's a POS now as I didn't treat it well in the early years. I did a bit of research on manufacturer, but hit dead ends as well. Was obviously an FIE import, and made in Italy. Perhaps by ASM or Pietta. __________________ Liberty and freedom often offends those who understand neither.

May 18, 2009, 09:38 AM	#3
grymster2007 Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: In the oak studded hills near Napa Posts: 2,203	You know that you'll shoot it loose in about three cylinders, right? The Cap'n told me. __________________ grym

May 18, 2009, 09:53 AM	#4
noelf2 Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2008 Location: Stuart, VA Posts: 2,473	So I've heard as well! Better not shoot that one Hawg __________________ Liberty and freedom often offends those who understand neither.

May 18, 2009, 03:02 PM	#16
grymster2007 Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: In the oak studded hills near Napa Posts: 2,203	Thanks for showing up Cap'n; as you can see I've had a difficult time trying to convince Hawg of the dangers he faces. Maybe he'll take it better from you. __________________ grym

May 18, 2009, 09:59 AM	#5
Raider2000 Senior Member Join Date: July 23, 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 719	I also agree but from my understanding it's more like 1 cylinder, so it's just a wall hanger. Hey bud, you have fun with your new piece & yeah those lil balls are cute arent they.

May 18, 2009, 10:42 AM	#7
olyinaz Senior Member Join Date: February 24, 2009 Location: Arizona Posts: 877	GREAT looking piece! Economical to shoot as well. Enjoy, Oly

May 18, 2009, 10:46 AM	#8
SamStafford Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2009 Location: Portageville, MO. 63873 Posts: 162	I think if you use a low powder load, that gun will last a long time. Just what I read on another gun forum. I love ALL 1858 Remmys.

May 18, 2009, 11:44 AM	#11
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	If it gets to be the length of just the bayo I'll go ahead and eat them. Until then I hope he likes golden showers.

May 18, 2009, 02:53 PM	#13
CaptainCrossman Junior member Join Date: April 2, 2009 Posts: 381	careful loading that Hawg, the brass frame Remingtons won't pull an arbor like the brass frame Colts, but they will warp/bend the frame- finding a replacement frame is like trying to find hen's teeth

May 18, 2009, 03:01 PM	#14
JarYetz Member Join Date: April 26, 2009 Location: Mohnton, PA Posts: 73	Nice gun and neat little kit, Hawg. I have to be honest though, I only came in here to see what the Cap'n would say about it being brass.

May 18, 2009, 03:13 PM	#17
Shotgun Willy Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: Oklahoma Territory Posts: 98	That's the first Remmy I've seen by PR, whoever in the hell that is. Nice looking gun, and a good friend you've got there. Well, not exactly true about it's being the first Remmy, I've seen. I've got an Italian copy of the 1863 Remington Contract Rifle-the Zouave-with PR on it. It's also marked DART, which I think was the importer....maybe. It's supposed to be .575 but I've finally gotten it to load well with a .562 RB. I've got a brass 1851 in .36, with no other marks, but PR on it, also. I've given up trying to figure out who they were. (until the next time it starts to bug me.) Have fun with that little beauty.

May 18, 2009, 04:11 PM	#19
D.Delozier Member Join Date: March 28, 2009 Location: S.C Posts: 35	The PN is a standard Italian proof mark ,almost or maybe all recently made BP guns out of Italy have that mark.

May 18, 2009, 05:56 PM	#21
long rider Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2008 Posts: 669	HH when i saw you post that brass remmi, the first thing that came to mind was, the captain is going to be all over you on that one bring on the fireworks ye ha. __________________ Sod Buster Tried To Pull On Willson.

May 18, 2009, 07:50 PM	#22
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	Fired it today. Just went out back with some Coke cans so no target pics. Loaded up 20 grs. of Pyrodex RS, a wonder wad and a I presume .375 ball. First off the chamber didn't shave much of a ring so I'm thinking gonna need a .380 mold. After loading a few cylinders with that short lever am thinking .375 is just fine. Started off at 25 ft. just to get a feel for it and even hit the can once. Recoil was almost non existent and it made a cute lil pop when it went off. I'm not real happy with it at this point. Loaded up 25 grs. and with the wad and ball the ball comes to just below the chamber mouth. Now we have a respectable amount of recoil and a nice boom(tho still kinda hi pitched). Also aforementioned can has six more holes in it now and is several feet further away. One shot went straight thru the bottom and two went thru the top. Hard to believe 5 grs. of powder made that much difference. I'm very happy with it now and while I still prefer a .44 I will be getting a playmate for this one one of these days. Prolly a 51 Navy. First I gotta sneak a .36 mold past the wife.

May 18, 2009, 10:06 PM	#23
madcratebuilder Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2007 Location: Northern Orygun Posts: 4,923	Nice looking Remmy. I have a 1858 by Navy Arms with FIE under the loading lever. It has smaller grips than my two Pietta's, it's a nice shooter.

May 19, 2009, 06:43 AM	#24
Gbro Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,084	My Confederate Colt .44 has the PR on the butt also and I have struggled to find who made it. I just had it apart for the 1st time yesterday. What a pleasure it was mucking out an open top compared to the Remmy style. I can't wait to muck them up again. __________________ Gbro CGVS For the message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, But to us who are being saved, It Is The Power Of God. 1Corinthians 1-18