February 21, 2014, 10:37 AM | #26 |
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http://www.armatix.us/?L=7
The company is *German*. This was designed as a way to deal with ridiculously strict German gun control laws. The gun was designed from the bottom-up to be useless in the context of a 2A right to self defense that does not exist in Germany.
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Here's the next piece of the puzzle.
Ed Markey to introduce ‘smart gun’ bill From the article: "Sen. Ed Markey of Massachusetts plans to introduce a bill that would require new handguns be outfitted with personalization technology within two years and that older guns be retrofitted within three years so that the firearms won’t work for unauthorized users." |
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I'm holding out for a smart gun with a retina recognition system incorporated in the muzzle.
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Was there ever an installed device in anything that couldn't be removed or over ridden?
Someone put it in; someone can take it out.
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Some years back, a car maker put out a model that would not start unless the driver's seat belt was fastened. The intent, of course, was to make us safer. AS I heard the story, there was a woman who had one of these cars, attacked in the parking lot. She broke free, got to her car, and would have been able to get away in any other car. But her "safe" one would not start. BECAUSE she didn't fasten the seat belt. She had other, more important things on her mind, I guess. Because of an unfastened seatbelt, she was attacked again. She did survive, and sued. Never heard how things turned out for her, personally (win/lose -settlement?) but no car maker has put that feature in any car since. I can see a similar principle here with the smart gun tech. Unfortunately someone will have to suffer or die before they have standing to bring suit.
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What about the electro magnetic impulse which makes ALL electronic mechanisms not work. That is just the time when you would need it most -- and it won't work! Not only is it useless because most weapons won't have it, it makes your own use more problematic. It is just what the Liberals like --sounds good, so why not do it?
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True story. Once the USSR took over Eastern Europe after WW2 they set up smaller satellite versions of the KGB in the various slave states. The Czechoslovakians, Hungarians and others were uneasy under the new totalitarian reality and their "secret police" were never all that crazy and the "new order" had to be supplemented by Russian tanks now and again. But then there was East Germany, home to Stasi - their version of the KGB...which made the actual Soviet KGB go like this: They were way more hardcore than the KGB. There is something inherently pro-totalitarian in German culture.
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This technology when applied to firearms is useless and dangerous. If we continue to elect to the executive branch politicians that lie about their support
for the 2nd Amendment, we may all be stuck with this junk without any alternative. |
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So, you know what? Let 'em waste the money. Let 'em fail. It'll prove our point, and it will be a long time before they try it again.
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i understand that this technology is unreliable at the moment, but it wont be for very long
i would love to brush it off and say it will never happen, but at this point, i think its inevitable that we will be losing huge chunks of our constitutional rights over the next ten to twenty years this is an idea the the libbies will rally around and will soon have laws in half the states requiring its use, maybe not this year or next, but very soon i dont quite know how they will force pre-smart guns to be retrofitted w/o creating gun registries, and an annual check-up to make sure the device is working properly the massachusetts law will stick, the voters are practically begging for it there
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Anyway, that one congressman has already introduced the bill.
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that helps my cynacism some
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The people running the DDR (east Germany) were determined that if they were going to be socialists, they were going to be better socialists than the Russians. I don't think they actually did it, but they tried real hard for a long time.... (what they called socialist, we would call communist) As I see it, the real issue with "smart guns" is the misguided belief that a) they will work perfectly, and b) that somehow, we will all be better off if we had them. I believe the underlying desire is a gun that will only fire in the hands of the authorized user. Because of their situation, I'd think the people most at risk from having their gun taken and used against them would be the police. AFTER you can show me a decade of the police AND all the politician's bodyguards, all the wealthy folks private security guards, all using NOTHING BUT SMART GUNS, AND having a significantly less than 1% failure rate, THEN I might consider one. Semi auto pistol technology has been on the market for over a century. It is completely mechanical (meaning no electronics) and, as a group, they don't work 100%! (nothing does, really). Semi autos do pretty well, and more than well enough for a lot of us, but only an idiot would claim they never have any problems. But that's what we're being promised with Smart guns, "once it's reliable", and its only going to be a short time, before someone pronounces them "reliable". perhaps those same folks would be interested in purchasing some land on the coast of Kentucky.....
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...and having this easily ID'd thing on my wrist that announces to anyone with a tire iron that I am carrying a gun, and sure, you may sneak up behind me, clobber me, and take my nifty new wristwatch and firearm, not only defeats the purpose of CCW, but it is on the whole stupid and unsafe. And just how quickly will this be hacked so that a hacked 'watch' will work with any gun? Again making the law abiding observe criminals do things we can't so...more rules and regulations that only restrict folks that already obey law. Last edited by Chris_B; February 22, 2014 at 01:58 PM. |
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1. I suggest mandatory implants of the tech into your forearm.
2. About EMPs - I think vacuum tech isn't that affected by it. Thus, the smart gun should use vacuum tubes. Like the ones in an old TV. 3. Might be useful for hunting rifles and shotguns! Why - every year some are shot by their dog when they put the gun down and Fido pulls the trigger. This would prevent canine gun crime. I was unhappy with the NSSF statement. They are still a little willing to go along with this kind of thing at times. They have bought into the modern sporting rifle rhetoric which is a surrender to the idea that we have AR's etc. for bambi as the main purpose.
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Kinda surprised this hasnt been mentioned yet, I mean it's two pages in... probably implies that I am about to date myself (I grew up playing video games )
There's a video game for Playstation3 called Metal Gear Solid 4 : Guns of the Patriots. The relevant information... setting is near future, ~2025 I think. Govt has gone all big brother on everyone, and the world is in a global state of war. PMC troops (soldiers for hire, private security, whatever you want to call blackwater style mercenaries) rule the battlefield, with more money resources and manpower than government bodies, so they fight for the highest bidder. To facilitate this war machine (effectively controlling the entire economy), they have instituted an ID system on guns, all guns, and placed chips in the soldiers that have two functions; to allow the soldier to be able to fire the weapon, and to allow the Patriots to monitor the soldier on the battlefield and control physical responses (soldier doesnt feel pain or fear due to hormonal control / stimulus, making for a more effective soldier). In the game, guns are only usable with an acceptable ID signature... soldiers in the same platoon or squad could theoretically use a gun from a fallen comrade, but would NOT be able to use a gun from the opposition. In order for Solid Snake (the main character) to use guns, he has to have them "laundered" where the ID chip is overriden on the blackmarket. The other BIG side effect, in the game, happens when the system gets hacked. Two consequences; the chip in soldiers was hacked, allowing for a user to create chaos on the battlefield, with soldiers feeling pain and fear with no real stimulus, and second, the terrorists / PMC group assuming control of the system was able to "turn off" all the guns that are not issued to them, meaning they are able to stand unopposed as the only people left with working firearms. This did happen to be a favorite game of mine, but honestly, this technology is eerily similar to what the game describes. Ill not be buying a smart gun, at any point, under any circumstance. |
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The anti-gunners are ecstatic, now they can ban and confiscate all "dumb" guns and still claim they are not against self defense. One gun control advocate has already suggested that the "chip" in the gun be able to be deactivated by the police so if the gun is "stolen or misused" the cops can render it inoperable.
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The I phone of guns? Yea... No.
I have an iPhone 5s and I'm sure many other people do and will agree that the fingerprint scanner only works the first time say 1 in 4 tries? And that's if your hands are free of all dirt, dust, sweat, anything. Sometimes I'll check my texts when I'm not supposed to at work and I can swipe and type in the access code faster than I can get the scanner to unlock my phone. I can do without any electro bs on my gun cause I have this thing commonly referred to as self control.
Hey I have an idea! Why don't we have like a gangster hot gun trade in special where they bring in their illegal guns and get this igun in return?! Then once all the g's and thugs have their new igun the gov flips that killswitch! Brilliant! On a serious note, screw that gun. |
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Has anyone heard anything more on the idea of the "nightstand gun"?
The one where the "smart" gun would have a motion/position sensor, so that it would be useless as a carry gun, but would serve for home defense? Meaning, it had a limited time it would operate after it was picked up, say 15minutes or something. I think the reasoning was that since it wouldn't work if you wore it while out and about, it would be useless to the bad guy, but the home owner could grab it out of the nightstand drawer, and it would work long enough for the police to arrive.... Yeah.. right... The idea was kicked around a while ago, but I haven't heard anything lately (probably for good reason ). Authorized User Only is only one way they can go with "smart gun" technology.
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Every electronic device not only can be hacked but will be hacked. This will be defeated within months.
The idea that a home intruder can have an app on his cellphone that jams a smart gun is chilling. Even more chilling is the idea that ALL firearms will be made to have this 'smart feature' and can thus be rendered useless electronically. The criminal element hacks everything, even the US government. This technology is extremely fallible and is open to cyber attack. "What info will they get off your guns, Chris?" will be a question possibly. If that is a question forming in anybody's mind, please remember that data-mining is not the only type of electronic crime. Rendering security systems useless is also one way to form such an attack and that is also not the full extent of electronic crime. This is a very, very stupid idea to have on a gun when it is examined closely. |
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Nope not interested in a "smart" gun at all. Too many what ifs with these things. I can't believe this is still being pursued, we've been hearing about smart guns since what the 80's maybe early 90's? So far no one has turned out a weapon that's been reliable enough for self defense. I'm sure these 2 new systems will have bugs that will show up also, it's just a matter of time.
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