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July 3, 2014, 12:35 PM | #1 |
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Legality of shipping FFL to FFL to a US post office box
Shipping FFL to FFL to a P.O. box
There seems to be some confusion about the "legality" of sending a firearm dealer to dealer to a U.S. post office box. So far, nobody at ATF can give me a straight answer (big surprise). Can anyone here shed any light on that subject? |
July 3, 2014, 12:49 PM | #2 |
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I am neither a lawyer nor a federal LEO, so my opinion is just that. If an FFL on the sending end can walk into a post office to send the package off, why would there be any problem with the FFL on the receiving end picking it up in a post office?
It's not surprising that the BATFE can't answer the question, because they don't enforce USPS regulations. The question should be directed to the postal inspectors. |
July 3, 2014, 12:51 PM | #3 |
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I thought you had to ship to the address on the FFL.
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July 3, 2014, 01:02 PM | #4 |
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Is an over 18 signature required? Can one be made to sign for packages at a PO Box?
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FWIW postmasters (as opposed to postal inspectors) are "not authorized to give opinions on the legality of any shipment of firearms" per DMM 601.12.3. I kid you not. Look it up. http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/601.htm Quote:
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July 3, 2014, 01:27 PM | #6 |
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Even places like the UPS store can sign for packages even ones requiring over 21 years of age. They then have you sign to show receipt of the package. My experience is with shipping wine and electronics not guns. I know the UPS Store will not ship a gun but if a FFL had a box there they might accept the package on his behalf (but certainly check in advance). My one experience receiving a gun, I asked for it to be shipped to my UPS box as it required a over 21 signature and I had no prior notice of when it would arrive. Of course they shipped it to my house and it was just left on the front porch. The gun was being shipped back after repair so no FFL was required.
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Citation found...
Page 8 of the March 2006 ATF FFL newsletter:
http://www.atf.gov/files/publication...er-2006-03.pdf Quote:
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July 3, 2014, 05:59 PM | #10 |
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I got my 30s sent usps ffl to ffl but some sigs were required. Special handling or some such. Misrepresent, and in the case it gets pinched there may be a problem..
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Postal regs have changed in recent years. Here is a link:
http://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c4_009.htm I think you will find that even an FFL needs to file some sort of affidavit with the post office in order to ship a handgun by USPS. Long guns may be easier. Last edited by cjwils; July 3, 2014 at 07:11 PM. |
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carguychris has it right. An FFL must have a premises address, but they can also have additional shipping addresses.
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My shipping address is a UPS Store, they will happily receive packages from UPS, FedEx and USPS.
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July 4, 2014, 10:08 AM | #14 |
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As a practical matter, if a buyer sends me an FFL, I'd ship a firearm to a PO Box as long as it's on the FFL. I'm not going to ship a firearm to any address that's not on it.
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As far as I'm concerned the whole purpose of providing a copy of the license is to verify that if I ship there a genuine FFL holder is going to receive it. If you ship to some other address you have no idea where it's going or who is going to get it. Last edited by natman; July 5, 2014 at 11:37 AM. |
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