|
Forum Rules | Firearms Safety | Firearms Photos | Links | Library | Lost Password | Email Changes |
Register | FAQ | Calendar | Today's Posts | Search |
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
October 26, 2012, 02:33 PM | #1 |
Senior Member
Join Date: April 13, 2009
Location: northern CA
Posts: 674
|
Ruger Blackhawk theoretical....
I really like the N frame SW revolvers bored out to hold 8 rounds of .357 magnum, seems like a stellar idea. Could a Blackhawk theoretically be made to hold 8 rounds of .357? I know Ruger makes an 8 shot .327 mag, not really my cup of tea. Does Ruger ever solicit opinions from folks?
|
October 26, 2012, 03:10 PM | #2 |
Senior Member
Join Date: September 30, 2012
Location: tennessee
Posts: 119
|
I'm no help here but if they were to make one i'd sure buy one!
|
October 26, 2012, 07:23 PM | #3 |
Senior Member
Join Date: July 10, 2012
Location: Memphis, Tennessee
Posts: 2,989
|
I prefer my capacity to be in multiples of five. That's a row of cartridges in the box. So, to hold ten rounds in my single actions, the charge holes would have to number eleven, leaving an empty under the hammer. Not needed with the New Model Rugers, I know, but my practice just the same.
Bob Wright |
October 26, 2012, 07:27 PM | #4 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: July 10, 2012
Location: Memphis, Tennessee
Posts: 2,989
|
Dead Coyote says:
Quote:
Bob Wright |
|
October 27, 2012, 02:44 PM | #5 |
Member Emeritus
Join Date: August 19, 2004
Posts: 7,133
|
Not entirely true, Bob.
Ruger does watch the two Ruger Forums & does pay at least SOME attention to suggestions, when feasible. May not actively "solicit" opinions, as such, but between that & market research at the dealer level they try to cover a broad range of models & features. The .308 Compact Magnum rifle was one that came about from a forum source. I don't see an 8-shot Blackhawk being viable in .357 Magnum. Denis |
October 27, 2012, 04:15 PM | #6 |
Senior Member
Join Date: September 28, 2008
Posts: 10,442
|
Might be doable from a custom gunsmith.
Anyone with a lathe, drill press, milling machine and lots of files around here willing to try?
__________________
Walt Kelly, alias Pogo, sez: “Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent.” |
October 27, 2012, 06:53 PM | #7 |
Junior member
Join Date: February 2, 2008
Posts: 3,150
|
It could be done in a poodle shooter caliber. With big bore calibers you're going to have to give up metal between the chambers weakening the cylinder (unless you upsize the frame and a Blackhawk is already a pretty big revolver). The best reason they have not built one is that you only need 6. If you need more than 6 buy a Glock.
|
October 27, 2012, 11:11 PM | #8 |
Senior Member
Join Date: February 8, 2010
Location: MN
Posts: 437
|
I could see it feasible with a .44 BH frame but with the .357 holes in both the barrel and the cylinder. That hole in the .44 frame is a bit larger than the one in the .357 frame, isn't it?
|
October 27, 2012, 11:45 PM | #9 |
Junior member
Join Date: November 12, 2000
Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado
Posts: 9,494
|
How about a 10 round X Frame in 357 Mag?
|
October 28, 2012, 01:16 AM | #10 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: August 25, 2008
Location: In the valley above the plain
Posts: 13,424
|
Quote:
There isn't enough room in the cylinder. Seven rounds... maybe. Eight.... no.
__________________
Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe. |
|
October 28, 2012, 07:41 AM | #11 |
Senior Member
Join Date: August 31, 2002
Location: Deep in the Heart of the Lone Star State (TX)
Posts: 2,169
|
Blackhawk: No. Maybe seven on the large-frame model.
Super Redhawk: Yes. And I'd buy an 8-rd. Alaskan in a heartbeat.
__________________
Proud member of Gun Culture 2.0...... |
October 28, 2012, 02:05 PM | #12 |
Senior Member
Join Date: February 28, 2005
Location: Aridzona
Posts: 2,767
|
The .357 Blackhawk (non flattop) is the same size frame as .44 Mag SBH and .45 BH. I'd agree, probably 7 max. Ruger does have a "Tell the CEO" email or linked suggestion form on their website, and as one poster said, is known to monitor especially the Ruger forums and does appear to take notice and act on some suggestions "out there." Not as much or often as some of us would like
|
October 28, 2012, 02:43 PM | #13 | |
Staff
Join Date: September 25, 2008
Location: CONUS
Posts: 18,467
|
Quote:
|
|
October 28, 2012, 05:04 PM | #14 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: August 25, 2008
Location: In the valley above the plain
Posts: 13,424
|
Quote:
__________________
Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe. |
|
October 28, 2012, 05:31 PM | #15 |
Senior Member
Join Date: August 31, 2002
Location: Deep in the Heart of the Lone Star State (TX)
Posts: 2,169
|
FM: I'm trying to differentiate b/t the "large-frame" (Super Blackhawk, NM Blackhawk) from the "medium-frame" (New Vaquero, 3-screw Blackhawk, 50th Anniversary Blackhawk) models. You could add "small-frame" (Single-Six) and "extra-small" frame (Bearcat) if you wanted to....
__________________
Proud member of Gun Culture 2.0...... |
October 28, 2012, 08:36 PM | #16 |
Senior Member
Join Date: September 22, 2011
Location: central Ohio
Posts: 135
|
Just buy a 327 mag. and get used to it. 8 shots at 1700 to 1800 fps is easy to get used to!
|
October 29, 2012, 01:05 AM | #17 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 19, 2004
Location: Fairbanksan in exile to Aleutian Hell
Posts: 2,655
|
Quote:
__________________
Stop Allowing Our Schools To Be Soft Targets! http://fastersaveslives.org/ East Moose. Wear Wolf. |
|
October 29, 2012, 03:07 AM | #18 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: October 7, 2009
Posts: 995
|
Quote:
|
|
October 29, 2012, 07:07 AM | #19 |
Senior Member
Join Date: April 25, 2008
Posts: 305
|
The S&W N-frame cylinder is slightly smaller in diameter than the Blackhawk, so it might be possible.
|
October 29, 2012, 09:05 AM | #20 |
Senior Member
Join Date: April 25, 2010
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 3,309
|
Any company is interested in new ideas if they are feasible and can be marketed at a profit.
If you approach them, expect to sign a release saying you won't sue at a later date if they make a product that incorporates your ideas. They have ideas also and yours may duplicates something they are already working on. If you want to protect yourself, patent it first then approach them. |
October 29, 2012, 10:15 AM | #21 |
Senior Member
Join Date: April 13, 2009
Location: northern CA
Posts: 674
|
Don't get me wrong, I'm one of the few people who initially thought the .327 was a pretty neat concept. The ammo price has just never come down, and availability is also no bueno. An 8 shot blackhawk would be a heck of a tool for around my spread, I just primarily carry a firearm around as a precaution for black bear and cougars. I've no doubt the .327 would do the job on foxes and feral cats, just wouldn't want to use it on bears. Of course our bears are usually quite small. I 've been getting a little over confident until I saw a huge feller about 5 days ago.
|
October 31, 2012, 01:10 PM | #22 |
Member
Join Date: October 31, 2012
Location: Alabama
Posts: 21
|
The blackhawk is a beefy 357 with as much steel thats in the 6 shot version you can loads the 357s hot enough to equal the ft lbs of 8 mere mortal 357s... The 357 blackhawk is about as overbuilt as they get (besides the FA and redhawk 357). I've got a few loads over 1000 ft lbs with cases that look great and fall out of the chamber still. Not recommending this, just saying...
|
October 31, 2012, 02:49 PM | #23 |
Member In Memoriam
Join Date: March 17, 1999
Posts: 24,383
|
Believe it or not, the gun companies do talk to one another, so I expect Ruger has kept pretty good track on sales of the S&W 8 shot revolver and not seen enough there to encourage spending a lot of bucks to copy it.
The rationale for 7 and 8 shot revolvers was to be competitive with auto pistols limited to 10 round magazines by the assault weapons ban. With the AWB gone, at least for now, those revolvers come out on the short end of a weight to performance balance. Jim |
November 3, 2012, 09:23 PM | #24 |
Senior Member
Join Date: April 13, 2009
Location: northern CA
Posts: 674
|
I see your point. I live in CA so I understand the craziness caused by the AWB/mag ban as it still exists as a state law here. Fortunately I'm a police officer so I'm exemt from the mag law, but that doesn't really matter since i carry a 9 shot 3" XD 40 anyhow.
On a side note, when I go to the range to shoot you wouldn't believe how many folks approach me to try to buy my "contraband" hi-cap magazines. |
November 14, 2012, 10:23 AM | #25 |
Junior member
Join Date: February 23, 2012
Posts: 921
|
If S&W can do the N-frame, Ruger could do the large frame Blackhawk, its cylinder is larger. Why anyone would fall over themselves for such a critter, I have no idea.
|
|
|