Huge Downer Walther CCP - Page 2

doofus47 · November 25, 2015, 11:42 AM

Fishbed

Quote:

If you are a happy PPS owner, you have no need to check out the CCP.

Yeah, I'm not following the Walther logic on this. Why didn't they just release a PPS in 380 if they wanted a low recoil carry gun? The PPS platform is rock solid.

vizsladog · November 25, 2015, 12:23 PM

Unfortunate. I was seconds from pulling the trigger and buying one. Then I said ill see what the walther forums say. glad I did. This seems to be a very problematic gun. There is thread were a walther rep pops in and out. but here is the sub forum.

I bought a Sig sauer P938

http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/ccp/

sigarms228 · November 25, 2015, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Yeah, I'm not following the Walther logic on this. Why didn't they just release a PPS in 380 if they wanted a low recoil carry gun? The PPS platform is rock solid.

I LOVE my PPS and find it to be an outstanding subcompact single stack pistol that is so easy to conceal and for me a crazy good shooter compared to any other like it I have tried but it appears to be a pretty slow seller possibly for a number of reasons including (until recently) high price, non button magazine release, and it's aesthetics. Word has it that the PPS is going to be "updated". I may buy a couple more at current prices if I find that current version is going to be discontinued.

Kreyzhorse · November 26, 2015, 07:31 AM

Wow Ace, I'm shocked they sent you a blued model but I'm glad you finally got one that works. What a nightmare.

Ace_Breaker · November 28, 2015, 09:15 PM

Yep, I decided to ask them about it. We shall see if they respond.

Pilot · November 30, 2015, 06:58 PM

They should have let Walther in Ulm make it instead of Umarex. Sigh.

Ace_Breaker · December 2, 2015, 06:40 PM

Yah, two emails to customer service and no responses.

TunnelRat · December 2, 2015, 08:54 PM

Emails get ignored. Call.

Ace_Breaker · December 2, 2015, 09:52 PM

That is what I was thinking so I called before closing but got the message recording. I left a message. Will see how it plays out tomorrow.

Fishbed77 · December 2, 2015, 11:41 PM

Quote:

They should have let Walther in Ulm make it instead of Umarex. Sigh.

Walther in Ulm likely would have had nothing to do with this half-baked design. The CCP is an Umarex product through-and-through.

TunnelRat · December 3, 2015, 01:11 AM

Must be Umarex that is doing the customer service too given the story here from Ace. The shipping back to Germany must be a killer.

Both Glock and HK have multiple factories, in their cases an entire ocean away. Somehow they can make seemingly consistent product despite an entirely different language and culture. Walther and Umarex need to figure out how to make products together because I am frankly finding the Umarex excuse getting a little old.

Ace_Breaker · December 3, 2015, 01:04 PM

Well, spoke to the rep this morning. They sent a shipping label to have the blue gun returned for a stainless like I had sent them. My only reservation was that the blue gun worked and I have lost confidence in this model. Will the next gun work? They didn't seem interested in any other resolution other than shipping the blue gun back so I agreed to. I think I will include the following note- "Santa, please make my Christmas wish come true. Instead of returning me a different colored gun could it be miracled into a PPQ?" LOL

turtlehead · December 3, 2015, 06:38 PM

Couldn't hurt to ask for a PPQ.

Ace_Breaker · December 4, 2015, 05:10 PM

Well, I did. The CCP I have works so I don't really want to start this all over. I asked them if I could upgrade or just forget it all. This whole experience makes me hesitant to buy Walther again. No response back from them yet.

Ocraknife · December 29, 2015, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Well, I did. The CCP I have works so I don't really want to start this all over. I asked them if I could upgrade or just forget it all. This whole experience makes me hesitant to buy Walther again. No response back from them yet.

Just checking to see if you got a resolution to your problem. I really like the CCP but I'm not about to get one until they get the kinks worked out.

happyguy · January 1, 2016, 06:50 AM

Not really relevant to this saga but why the long trigger pull and long reset on a gun with a thumb safety?

The design is dumb.

One or the other Walther, one or the other!

A compact PPQ with a thumb safety and I'm in.

Ace_Breaker · January 2, 2016, 08:42 AM

Walther did not respond to my last email. I gave up on it. CS has been horrible overall. A fourth return is ridiculous. My wife handled it and wants to shoot it before I dump it. I will let her try it out. Walther is no longer on any of my wish lists. I could see buying a PPQ or PPS again someday, but as of right now, I am pretty unhappy with the company.

TunnelRat · January 2, 2016, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ace_Breaker

Walther did not respond to my last email. I gave up on it. CS has been horrible overall. A fourth return is ridiculous. My wife handled it and wants to shoot it before I dump it. I will let her try it out. Walther is no longer on any of my wish lists. I could see buying a PPQ or PPS again someday, but as of right now, I am pretty unhappy with the company.

Given that you already had issues with emails being ignored I'm not sure why you'd expect different now. If you're serious either call or let it go at this point. You have a pistol that seems to function fine, it's just not the exact color you wanted. While it might be grating, maybe it's time to look at the forest rather than the trees?

TBM900 · January 2, 2016, 10:02 AM

At that price point, a better option would be one of the unissued Makarovs and 500 rounds of ammo. Dimensionally and loaded weight are nearly identical, same capacity, all steel, built like a T-72, and as reliable as a quality rock.

Ace_Breaker · January 2, 2016, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Given that you already had issues with emails being ignored I'm not sure why you'd expect different now. If you're serious either call or let it go at this point. You have a pistol that seems to function fine, it's just not the exact color you wanted. While it might be grating, maybe it's time to look at the forest rather than the trees?

I did not expect any different. Like I said, I gave up on it.

curt.45 · January 2, 2016, 11:37 AM

Ruger.

sorry it had to be said.

gyvel · January 2, 2016, 10:57 PM

Personally, I would quit while you're ahead, and dump that pistol. There are too many other pistols out there with proven reliability that would serve your purposes.

I understand the fascination with getting something "new and unique" (I did that with the Browning BDM, which I dumped very quickly), but with that kind of experience under your belt, I wouldn't hold on to that any longer than it took to put it someone else's hands.

gyvel · January 3, 2016, 09:15 AM

Kind of after the fact, but if phone calls and emails are being ignored, one thing that's hard to ignore is a certified letter. If you decide you want to continue pursuing this matter, try that.

November 26, 2015, 07:31 AM	#29
Kreyzhorse Senior Member Join Date: April 12, 2006 Location: NKY Posts: 12,463	Wow Ace, I'm shocked they sent you a blued model but I'm glad you finally got one that works. What a nightmare. __________________ "He who laughs last, laughs dead." Homer Simpson

November 30, 2015, 06:58 PM	#31
Pilot Senior Member Join Date: December 21, 2000 Posts: 4,193	They should have let Walther in Ulm make it instead of Umarex. Sigh. __________________ Pilot

January 1, 2016, 06:50 AM	#41
happyguy Member Join Date: May 5, 2006 Posts: 65	Not really relevant to this saga but why the long trigger pull and long reset on a gun with a thumb safety? The design is dumb. One or the other Walther, one or the other! A compact PPQ with a thumb safety and I'm in. __________________ "Hope" is not a strategy!

January 2, 2016, 10:02 AM	#44
TBM900 Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2015 Posts: 777	At that price point, a better option would be one of the unissued Makarovs and 500 rounds of ammo. Dimensionally and loaded weight are nearly identical, same capacity, all steel, built like a T-72, and as reliable as a quality rock. Last edited by TBM900; January 2, 2016 at 10:11 AM.

January 2, 2016, 10:57 PM	#47
gyvel Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2009 Location: Northern AZ Posts: 7,172	Personally, I would quit while you're ahead, and dump that pistol. There are too many other pistols out there with proven reliability that would serve your purposes. I understand the fascination with getting something "new and unique" (I did that with the Browning BDM, which I dumped very quickly), but with that kind of experience under your belt, I wouldn't hold on to that any longer than it took to put it someone else's hands. __________________ As always, YMMV. __________________________________________ MIIAA SIFE Last edited by gyvel; January 3, 2016 at 09:14 AM.

November 25, 2015, 12:23 PM	#27
vizsladog Member Join Date: August 21, 2015 Posts: 26	Unfortunate. I was seconds from pulling the trigger and buying one. Then I said ill see what the walther forums say. glad I did. This seems to be a very problematic gun. There is thread were a walther rep pops in and out. but here is the sub forum. I bought a Sig sauer P938 http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/ccp/

November 28, 2015, 09:15 PM	#30
Ace_Breaker Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2007 Posts: 1,170	Yep, I decided to ask them about it. We shall see if they respond.

December 2, 2015, 06:40 PM	#32
Ace_Breaker Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2007 Posts: 1,170	Yah, two emails to customer service and no responses.

December 2, 2015, 08:54 PM	#33
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 12,212	Emails get ignored. Call.

December 2, 2015, 09:52 PM	#34
Ace_Breaker Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2007 Posts: 1,170	That is what I was thinking so I called before closing but got the message recording. I left a message. Will see how it plays out tomorrow.

December 3, 2015, 01:11 AM	#36
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 12,212	Must be Umarex that is doing the customer service too given the story here from Ace. The shipping back to Germany must be a killer. Both Glock and HK have multiple factories, in their cases an entire ocean away. Somehow they can make seemingly consistent product despite an entirely different language and culture. Walther and Umarex need to figure out how to make products together because I am frankly finding the Umarex excuse getting a little old.

December 3, 2015, 01:04 PM	#37
Ace_Breaker Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2007 Posts: 1,170	Well, spoke to the rep this morning. They sent a shipping label to have the blue gun returned for a stainless like I had sent them. My only reservation was that the blue gun worked and I have lost confidence in this model. Will the next gun work? They didn't seem interested in any other resolution other than shipping the blue gun back so I agreed to. I think I will include the following note- "Santa, please make my Christmas wish come true. Instead of returning me a different colored gun could it be miracled into a PPQ?" LOL

December 3, 2015, 06:38 PM	#38
turtlehead Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2015 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,203	Couldn't hurt to ask for a PPQ.

December 4, 2015, 05:10 PM	#39
Ace_Breaker Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2007 Posts: 1,170	Well, I did. The CCP I have works so I don't really want to start this all over. I asked them if I could upgrade or just forget it all. This whole experience makes me hesitant to buy Walther again. No response back from them yet.

January 2, 2016, 08:42 AM	#42
Ace_Breaker Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2007 Posts: 1,170	Walther did not respond to my last email. I gave up on it. CS has been horrible overall. A fourth return is ridiculous. My wife handled it and wants to shoot it before I dump it. I will let her try it out. Walther is no longer on any of my wish lists. I could see buying a PPQ or PPS again someday, but as of right now, I am pretty unhappy with the company.

January 2, 2016, 11:37 AM	#46
curt.45 Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 2008 Location: Fort Wayne Ind. Posts: 866	Ruger. sorry it had to be said.

January 3, 2016, 09:15 AM	#48
gyvel Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2009 Location: Northern AZ Posts: 7,172	Kind of after the fact, but if phone calls and emails are being ignored, one thing that's hard to ignore is a certified letter. If you decide you want to continue pursuing this matter, try that. __________________ As always, YMMV. __________________________________________ MIIAA SIFE