Am I going insane or...

**Mike Irwin** · January 20, 2006, 02:45 PM

am I just nuts?

At the bottom of every forum thread summary page, didn't there used to be a drop-down navigation list for other forums on the site?

I could swear that it was there before I went to lunch, and now it's gone...

Wildalaska · January 20, 2006, 02:46 PM

The eyes are the first to go, then the body starts turing numb, speech fails......

WildihavenoideawhatheslookingforbutsoundsgoodAlaska

Handy · January 20, 2006, 02:53 PM

No, the feature used to be there.

Strange. It was useful.

**tyme** · January 20, 2006, 02:58 PM

The forum is too bloody slow. I'm trying to speed it up. That particular feature will probably be turned back on soon.

**Mike Irwin** · January 20, 2006, 03:37 PM

Slow?

Odd, I've not noticed any speed lags in forum performance the past couple of weeks that haven't also been mirrored across all internet sites.

**tyme** · January 20, 2006, 03:53 PM

Really? I've noticed intermittent lag, and there have been a fair number of dup postings in the last week.

**Mal H** · January 20, 2006, 04:34 PM

Justin, I've noticed the same thing Mike has. When TFL was slow or completely unresponsive, I would tab over to THR and find the same symptom. It's happened more than once, so I was thinking it has to be a net latency or virus problem and not a TFL problem. Of course, there might be two problems going on at the same time, a local one and an internet one.

pax · January 20, 2006, 08:01 PM

Speaking of lag, I keep bumping my nose against the "don't search so soon" feature. It's truly driving me crazy. I'm on dialup, so I habitually open at least two windows so one will have time to load while I read the other. I'll hit a search string in one, leave it to load, and go read the other. When I'm done skimming that one, I'll hit a search string (usually "new posts"), then go back to the first window -- as often as not to find that I was supposed to have waited another 4 seconds before hitting "send" on that one, and now I'm going to be sitting here staring at the obnoxiously slow-loading window while it grinds through the process of reluctantly putting up one itsy bitsy piece of data at a time. Then I go back to the other window and find that that search string got denied too. It's enough to make a girl take up knitting.

pax

**Rich Lucibella** · January 21, 2006, 12:07 AM

My money's on tyme.
Do not second guess him....I've missed every time I tried.
Rich

hkOrion · January 21, 2006, 12:50 AM

use Firefox. The open in new tab option is awesome. Do a search, then open tabs and they load while you're still viewing the original page. You can change tabs - VOILA! - loaded info.

**Mal H** · January 21, 2006, 11:48 AM

hkOrion, I agree that Firefox is a vast improvement over IE, but that wouldn't solve pax's particular problem. The 60 second wait between searches would yield the same result whether she is using discreet windows or tabs. She would click on the background tab to bring it forward and see the exact same message.

sm · January 22, 2006, 01:21 AM

tyme,
I would appreciate if you would sharing what you do discover as I am taking CIS/IT studies. I'm, lurking, listening and learning.

FWIW - I cannot get into THR or APS. For a few days I have noticed this "lag" as you mention. It occurs if I access with 11Mbps , using Firefox, IE or Opera. Does the same thing if using dial-up as I am now @ 52.0 Kbps using Firefox.

Not just VB or other forums, for instance my online texts at Cisco, College WebCT and Moodle, or doing searches using my preferred Teoma, even just perusing Wikipedia...

"Gremlins" - what I call 'em. Oh well I at least have my hardcopy texts and did make 3 batches of brownies...

Steve

Gewehr98 · January 22, 2006, 12:48 PM

Firefox tells me that the URLs are taking too long to respond, and both APS and THR aren't accessible. TFL was a bit laggy until earlier last night.

For what it's worth, I'm thinking the web is under a barrage of DDS attacks again, in the last 24 hours I've received a ton of virus-infected emails supposedly from "[email protected]", and I never visit there nor have they been on my Outlook contact list. Maybe a worm or Trojan attack is blooming this weekend?

**tyme** · January 22, 2006, 02:09 PM

Viruses and spam shouldn't affect TFL's performance at all.

The problem with TFL and large vbulletin boards in general is that myisam tables in mysql are terrible. Another view is that vbulletin is improperly designed, since jelsoft should know that virtually everyone uses myisam tables. I'm seriously considering converting the post table to innodb, even though that will make it impossible to use mysql's full-text searching.

Searches for common words are unavoidably slow, which causes a situation described in the second set of bullet points here:
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/...e-locking.html

January 20, 2006, 02:45 PM	#1
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,380	Am I going insane or... am I just nuts? At the bottom of every forum thread summary page, didn't there used to be a drop-down navigation list for other forums on the site? I could swear that it was there before I went to lunch, and now it's gone... __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

January 20, 2006, 02:58 PM	#4
tyme Staff Join Date: October 13, 2001 Posts: 3,355	The forum is too bloody slow. I'm trying to speed it up. That particular feature will probably be turned back on soon. __________________ “The egg hatched...” “...the egg hatched... and a hundred baby spiders came out...” (blade runner) “Who are you?” “A friend. I'm here to prevent you from making a mistake.” “You have no idea what I'm doing here, friend.” “In specific terms, no, but I swore an oath to protect the world...” (continuum) “It's a goal you won't understand until later. Your job is to make sure he doesn't achieve the goal.” (bsg)

January 20, 2006, 03:37 PM	#5
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,380	Slow? Odd, I've not noticed any speed lags in forum performance the past couple of weeks that haven't also been mirrored across all internet sites. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

January 20, 2006, 03:53 PM	#6
tyme Staff Join Date: October 13, 2001 Posts: 3,355	Really? I've noticed intermittent lag, and there have been a fair number of dup postings in the last week. __________________ “The egg hatched...” “...the egg hatched... and a hundred baby spiders came out...” (blade runner) “Who are you?” “A friend. I'm here to prevent you from making a mistake.” “You have no idea what I'm doing here, friend.” “In specific terms, no, but I swore an oath to protect the world...” (continuum) “It's a goal you won't understand until later. Your job is to make sure he doesn't achieve the goal.” (bsg)

January 20, 2006, 08:01 PM	#8
pax Senior Member Join Date: May 16, 2000 Location: In a state of flux Posts: 7,520	Speaking of lag, I keep bumping my nose against the "don't search so soon" feature. It's truly driving me crazy. I'm on dialup, so I habitually open at least two windows so one will have time to load while I read the other. I'll hit a search string in one, leave it to load, and go read the other. When I'm done skimming that one, I'll hit a search string (usually "new posts"), then go back to the first window -- as often as not to find that I was supposed to have waited another 4 seconds before hitting "send" on that one, and now I'm going to be sitting here staring at the obnoxiously slow-loading window while it grinds through the process of reluctantly putting up one itsy bitsy piece of data at a time. Then I go back to the other window and find that that search string got denied too. It's enough to make a girl take up knitting. pax __________________ Kathy Jackson My personal website: Cornered Cat

January 20, 2006, 02:46 PM	#2
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,172	The eyes are the first to go, then the body starts turing numb, speech fails...... WildihavenoideawhatheslookingforbutsoundsgoodAlaska

January 20, 2006, 02:53 PM	#3
Handy Junior member Join Date: August 31, 2001 Posts: 8,785	No, the feature used to be there. Strange. It was useful.

January 20, 2006, 04:34 PM	#7
Mal H Staff Join Date: March 20, 1999 Location: Somewhere in the woods of Northern Virginia Posts: 16,947	Justin, I've noticed the same thing Mike has. When TFL was slow or completely unresponsive, I would tab over to THR and find the same symptom. It's happened more than once, so I was thinking it has to be a net latency or virus problem and not a TFL problem. Of course, there might be two problems going on at the same time, a local one and an internet one.

January 21, 2006, 12:07 AM	#9
Rich Lucibella Staff Join Date: October 6, 1998 Location: South Florida Posts: 10,229	My money's on tyme. Do not second guess him....I've missed every time I tried. Rich __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook

January 21, 2006, 12:50 AM	#10
hkOrion Member Join Date: July 19, 2005 Location: 'rado Posts: 24	pax- use Firefox. The open in new tab option is awesome. Do a search, then open tabs and they load while you're still viewing the original page. You can change tabs - VOILA! - loaded info. __________________ hkOrion --------------------------------------------------- Beware the fury of a patient man. You got a badge for that gun?

January 21, 2006, 11:48 AM	#11
Mal H Staff Join Date: March 20, 1999 Location: Somewhere in the woods of Northern Virginia Posts: 16,947	hkOrion, I agree that Firefox is a vast improvement over IE, but that wouldn't solve pax's particular problem. The 60 second wait between searches would yield the same result whether she is using discreet windows or tabs. She would click on the background tab to bring it forward and see the exact same message.

January 22, 2006, 01:21 AM	#12
sm Senior Member Join Date: February 5, 2002 Posts: 1,819	tyme, I would appreciate if you would sharing what you do discover as I am taking CIS/IT studies. I'm, lurking, listening and learning. FWIW - I cannot get into THR or APS. For a few days I have noticed this "lag" as you mention. It occurs if I access with 11Mbps , using Firefox, IE or Opera. Does the same thing if using dial-up as I am now @ 52.0 Kbps using Firefox. Not just VB or other forums, for instance my online texts at Cisco, College WebCT and Moodle, or doing searches using my preferred Teoma, even just perusing Wikipedia... "Gremlins" - what I call 'em. Oh well I at least have my hardcopy texts and did make 3 batches of brownies... Steve __________________ Use Enough Gun TFL Alumni

January 22, 2006, 12:48 PM	#13
Gewehr98 Senior Member Join Date: June 30, 2000 Location: Token Creek, WI Posts: 4,067	Similar findings here. Firefox tells me that the URLs are taking too long to respond, and both APS and THR aren't accessible. TFL was a bit laggy until earlier last night. For what it's worth, I'm thinking the web is under a barrage of DDS attacks again, in the last 24 hours I've received a ton of virus-infected emails supposedly from "[email protected]", and I never visit there nor have they been on my Outlook contact list. Maybe a worm or Trojan attack is blooming this weekend? __________________ "Bother", said Pooh, as he chambered another round... Neural Misfires

January 22, 2006, 02:09 PM	#14
tyme Staff Join Date: October 13, 2001 Posts: 3,355	Viruses and spam shouldn't affect TFL's performance at all. The problem with TFL and large vbulletin boards in general is that myisam tables in mysql are terrible. Another view is that vbulletin is improperly designed, since jelsoft should know that virtually everyone uses myisam tables. I'm seriously considering converting the post table to innodb, even though that will make it impossible to use mysql's full-text searching. Searches for common words are unavoidably slow, which causes a situation described in the second set of bullet points here: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/...e-locking.html __________________ “The egg hatched...” “...the egg hatched... and a hundred baby spiders came out...” (blade runner) “Who are you?” “A friend. I'm here to prevent you from making a mistake.” “You have no idea what I'm doing here, friend.” “In specific terms, no, but I swore an oath to protect the world...” (continuum) “It's a goal you won't understand until later. Your job is to make sure he doesn't achieve the goal.” (bsg)

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