Powder in cartridge

zcar75 · January 27, 2011, 08:08 PM

I am thinking about reloading .45 long colt black powder. My question is how mucch powder is recommended for the shot. Should I use filler to take up the empty space.

Jim Watson · January 27, 2011, 08:23 PM

Don't leave empty space. Use enough powder to be compressed under the bullet without non-powder junk in your ammunition. That will give you the real frontier feel.

ClemBert · January 27, 2011, 09:03 PM

35 to 40 grains of FFFg Goex.

Fingers McGee · January 27, 2011, 11:42 PM

Recipe for loading blackpowder .45 Colt rounds:

Step 1. Obtain empty .45 Colt case
Step 2. Fill case to just below the mouth with fffg or ffg blackpowder of your choice
Step 3. Place 250 or 255 grain bullet that has black powder compatible lube of your choice in the lube groove on the case mouth opening. (note: the bigger the lube groove in the bullet the more lube the bullet will carry, and the better it will work in a rifle)
Step 4. Seat bullet to crimp groove and crimp
Step 5. Repeat steps 1 through 4 till you run out of either a. Empty cases; b. Black Powder; or c. Bullets.

wittzo · January 28, 2011, 12:26 PM

I'm using the .452" Lee 200 grain bullets for lighter recoil and 30 grains of FFFg Goex.
Loading it with 30 grains and 255 grain .452" bullets is really stout in my Remington '58, but it's okay in my Ruger OA.

Model-P · January 28, 2011, 02:03 PM

wittzo, if you want even lighter recoil, go with FFg. Or, of course you know you can load lighter and fill the rest with filler.

kwhi43 · January 28, 2011, 09:38 PM

This is how it looks behind the sights of a 10mm Auto & a 45 Colt Black Powder load

Raider2000 · January 28, 2011, 09:54 PM

kwhi43;
That has got to be the best video I've seen in a while of 2 different firearms in live fire for comparrison.

Foto Joe · January 29, 2011, 11:48 AM

ClemBert & Fingers McGee are spot on. What I found though was the recoil from those loads is substantial to say the least, not to mention 40gr of powder will eat up a pound of powder quickly.

I'm a big proponent of "Gallery Loads" for 45 Colt. For reduced recoil you can use 20gr 3f and then top off the brass with filler. Seat a .454 round ball and lightly crimp at the equator of the ball. You will probably want some lube around the edge of the brass before seating the ball, I was using SPG sticks and they work good.

Since then I've changed over to using EPP Ultra Gamer 150gr RN bullets that are pre-lubed for Black Powder. Less steps to the reloading process and they shoot great.

Fingers McGee · January 29, 2011, 01:06 PM

The process I outlined is the easy-peasy way to do it. Filling the case to a level where a 250 gr bullet barely compresses the powder will result in about a 30 grain load of fffg. While not a gallery load, it is very manageable.

Foto Joe · January 29, 2011, 08:35 PM

Fingers McGee,

In truth I'm JUST CHEAP!! I load cartridges with Swiss and they just don't give the stuff away. I have switched over to Goex for the 45 Colt Gallery Loads though and I don't see any difference as far as cleaner.

The one thing that none of us has mentioned is NOT re-sizing 45 Colt brass after it's fired with Black Powder. So far I've got some brass that has been loaded a dozen or more times with no re-sizing and it fits roughly the same as some of my newer stuff.

I found that not re-sizing cut down on the "Blow Back" in the cylinder considerably thus reducing cylinder related fouling.

Model-P · January 29, 2011, 08:43 PM

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I found that not re-sizing cut down on the "Blow Back" in the cylinder considerably thus reducing cylinder related fouling.

Don't give away all the secrets at once!
The original black powder loading tools that I have seen didn't have case sizing, and I never size my BP cases either. More accurate, and as you said, less chamber and breech fouling.

Jbar4Ranch · January 30, 2011, 12:41 AM

I use a 1.9cc Lee dipper, which is about 30 grains, then a .060 wad, then a dollop of lard or Crisco, and a 250 grain cast bullet. I haven't found any need to sandwich the lube between two wads.

January 27, 2011, 08:08 PM	#1
zcar75 Member Join Date: December 3, 2009 Posts: 25	Powder in cartridge I am thinking about reloading .45 long colt black powder. My question is how mucch powder is recommended for the shot. Should I use filler to take up the empty space.

January 27, 2011, 11:42 PM	#4
Fingers McGee Senior Member Join Date: March 19, 2008 Location: High & Dry in Missouri Ozarks Posts: 2,113	Recipe for loading blackpowder .45 Colt rounds: Step 1. Obtain empty .45 Colt case Step 2. Fill case to just below the mouth with fffg or ffg blackpowder of your choice Step 3. Place 250 or 255 grain bullet that has black powder compatible lube of your choice in the lube groove on the case mouth opening. (note: the bigger the lube groove in the bullet the more lube the bullet will carry, and the better it will work in a rifle) Step 4. Seat bullet to crimp groove and crimp Step 5. Repeat steps 1 through 4 till you run out of either a. Empty cases; b. Black Powder; or c. Bullets. __________________ Fingers (Show Me MO smoke) McGee - AKA Man of Many Colts - Alter ego of Diabolical Ken; SASS Regulator 28564-L-TG; Rangemaster and stage writer extraordinaire; Frontiersman, Pistoleer, NRA Endowment Life, NMLRA, SAF, CCRKBA, STORM 327, SV115; Charter member, Central Ozarks Western Shooters Cynic: A blackguard whose faulty vision see things as they are, not as they should be. Ambrose Bierce

January 29, 2011, 11:48 AM	#9
Foto Joe Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2010 Location: Cody, Wyoming Posts: 111	ClemBert & Fingers McGee are spot on. What I found though was the recoil from those loads is substantial to say the least, not to mention 40gr of powder will eat up a pound of powder quickly. I'm a big proponent of "Gallery Loads" for 45 Colt. For reduced recoil you can use 20gr 3f and then top off the brass with filler. Seat a .454 round ball and lightly crimp at the equator of the ball. You will probably want some lube around the edge of the brass before seating the ball, I was using SPG sticks and they work good. Since then I've changed over to using EPP Ultra Gamer 150gr RN bullets that are pre-lubed for Black Powder. Less steps to the reloading process and they shoot great. __________________ Foto Joe

January 29, 2011, 01:06 PM	#10
Fingers McGee Senior Member Join Date: March 19, 2008 Location: High & Dry in Missouri Ozarks Posts: 2,113	The process I outlined is the easy-peasy way to do it. Filling the case to a level where a 250 gr bullet barely compresses the powder will result in about a 30 grain load of fffg. While not a gallery load, it is very manageable. __________________ Fingers (Show Me MO smoke) McGee - AKA Man of Many Colts - Alter ego of Diabolical Ken; SASS Regulator 28564-L-TG; Rangemaster and stage writer extraordinaire; Frontiersman, Pistoleer, NRA Endowment Life, NMLRA, SAF, CCRKBA, STORM 327, SV115; Charter member, Central Ozarks Western Shooters Cynic: A blackguard whose faulty vision see things as they are, not as they should be. Ambrose Bierce

January 29, 2011, 08:35 PM	#11
Foto Joe Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2010 Location: Cody, Wyoming Posts: 111	Fingers McGee, In truth I'm JUST CHEAP!! I load cartridges with Swiss and they just don't give the stuff away. I have switched over to Goex for the 45 Colt Gallery Loads though and I don't see any difference as far as cleaner. The one thing that none of us has mentioned is NOT re-sizing 45 Colt brass after it's fired with Black Powder. So far I've got some brass that has been loaded a dozen or more times with no re-sizing and it fits roughly the same as some of my newer stuff. I found that not re-sizing cut down on the "Blow Back" in the cylinder considerably thus reducing cylinder related fouling. __________________ Foto Joe

January 27, 2011, 08:23 PM	#2
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,542	Don't leave empty space. Use enough powder to be compressed under the bullet without non-powder junk in your ammunition. That will give you the real frontier feel.

January 27, 2011, 09:03 PM	#3
ClemBert Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2009 Location: Orlando Posts: 936	35 to 40 grains of FFFg Goex.

January 28, 2011, 12:26 PM	#5
wittzo Member Join Date: February 10, 2010 Posts: 95	I'm using the .452" Lee 200 grain bullets for lighter recoil and 30 grains of FFFg Goex. Loading it with 30 grains and 255 grain .452" bullets is really stout in my Remington '58, but it's okay in my Ruger OA.

January 28, 2011, 02:03 PM	#6
Model-P Senior Member Join Date: February 24, 2009 Posts: 727	wittzo, if you want even lighter recoil, go with FFg. Or, of course you know you can load lighter and fill the rest with filler.

January 28, 2011, 09:38 PM	#7
kwhi43 Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2008 Location: Kansas City Posts: 1,393	This is how it looks behind the sights of a 10mm Auto & a 45 Colt Black Powder load

January 28, 2011, 09:54 PM	#8
Raider2000 Senior Member Join Date: July 23, 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 719	kwhi43; That has got to be the best video I've seen in a while of 2 different firearms in live fire for comparrison.

January 30, 2011, 12:41 AM	#13
Jbar4Ranch Senior Member Join Date: May 19, 1999 Location: Near Helena, Montana Posts: 1,719	I use a 1.9cc Lee dipper, which is about 30 grains, then a .060 wad, then a dollop of lard or Crisco, and a 250 grain cast bullet. I haven't found any need to sandwich the lube between two wads. __________________ Sometimes the squeaky wheel gets replaced... SASS 47015