question on bp shooting

M14MSgt · November 28, 2008, 11:29 PM

Seems like after shooting 3-4 cylinders of .44 through my Pietta, the cylinder gets hard to turn, etc. In between loadings, I spray the cylinder pin w/some Ballistol, but it doesn't seem to help. Also, I notice that some of the percussion cap fragments get hung up in the action preventing the cylinder from even turning. Am I doing something wrong here?

Hawg · November 28, 2008, 11:34 PM

3-4 is about right for a Remington design. A Colt should run a few more. If it's a Colt design you may have the wedge in too far. Smear the pin with Bore Butter before you install the cylinder. Caps getting in the action sound like a Colt design. Practice tipping the muzzle up slightly and over to the right a tad while you cock it and the frags will be less likely to fall into the action.

lookylou · November 29, 2008, 09:15 AM

Are you shooting real black powder?
You might want to try some 777 or another synthetic. You will get the same smoke, without the smell, and your pistol will function longer between cleanings.
I save my real BP for my flinters.

pohill · November 29, 2008, 10:45 AM

I've taken some ribbing on my lube solution but I'll pass it on and you decide...
On my BP revolvers that stop turning due to fouling (Remingtons and Colt Paterson) I spray the vegetable spray PAM on the pin and down the barrel. The result is amazing (I only use real black powder)

Hawg · November 29, 2008, 11:16 AM

Pam huh? I may hafta try that.

M14MSgt · November 29, 2008, 12:18 PM

i am using Pyrodex.

Hafoc · November 29, 2008, 01:16 PM

Dear Pohill:

Need some lube for my BP revolver, especially something to prevent rust. Sure would be nice to have a spray version to carry to the range, but all the spray gun oils are petroleum-based, and supposedly make a real mess with true BP. If only they made some organic, vegetable-based spray gun oil that I could..

What did you say?

Pam? PAM?

Pam.

(facepalms) Thanks for making me feel like an idiot.

grymster2007 · November 29, 2008, 01:22 PM

On my '58 NMA I get one cylinder without trouble. Before reloading, I run a .22 rifle mop soaked in Ballistol down the cylinder bore and use a plastic brush to clean up the rest of the cylinder and the pin.

All this and I can still reload in less than 15 minutes!

Hawg · November 29, 2008, 01:39 PM

Grym are you coating your cylinder pin with Bore Butter or something similar?
Your cylinder gap may be too close if that's all you're getting. I use 35 grs. of powder and I usually get 3-4 before I start to feel the drag and a couple more before I pull it down.

pohill · November 29, 2008, 02:24 PM

Patersons are about the worst guns for fouling, but one day I tried PAM on the pin and the gun kept going and going. I also spray it down the barrel, let it set for a few minutes, pick the barrel up and a glob of PAM and crud slides out. It also works on the Remingtons but for some reason, not so well on the other Colts (the Walker hates it). Not bad on my Ruger, either.
PAM and Bore Butter are both food grade.

But...I don't use PAM as a lube after cleaning the gun. That's Bore Butter's job.
(What did I do now? The price of PAM just doubled)

long rider · November 29, 2008, 02:40 PM

PAM? lets get out the pancakes.

grymster2007 · November 29, 2008, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Grym are you coating your cylinder pin with Bore Butter or something similar?

No, I learned to just take the few seconds after each cylinder to clean things up. It might go more than one, but I just haven't tried.

Pam sounds like something worth trying.

Hawg · November 29, 2008, 02:43 PM

Grease it up good with Bore Butter and it'll run a few more. Haven't tried PAM yet so don't have an opinion on it.

arcticap · November 29, 2008, 03:51 PM

http://www.gojo.com/product/product.asp?productid=13

Pohill,
There was a fellow on the MLF that swore by using GOJO waterless hand cleaner as a patch lubricant. He said that he could shoot all day using it.
GOJO was originally developed to dissolve tire black carbon buildup from the hands of rubber plant workers. Powder fouling is also essentially carbon.
I think that it contains mineral oil and lanolin which act as lubricants too.
I wouldn't be surprised if it worked in place of bore butter in the Walker pistol, and it's very cheap at WalMart at about .99 cents for a small tub of it.
Maybe it could even be used over the chambered balls.
If it didn't lube as well, then it could still be used to clean one's hands and the BP fouling from guns after shooting at the range anyway.
Just make sure to use the original formula GOJO without any pumice in it.

00ford · December 18, 2008, 12:55 AM

I spray all the internals and the cylinder pin with remoil with teflon and I can usually fire 10 shots without a hitch. The fouling comes right off after soaking it in hot water for about a minute.

Hawg · December 18, 2008, 05:29 AM

Quote:

I spray all the internals and the cylinder pin with remoil with teflon and I can usually fire 10 shots without a hitch. The fouling comes right off after soaking it in hot water for about a minute.

You need to find something better. I get at least 24 with bore butter.

November 28, 2008, 11:29 PM	#1
M14MSgt Senior Member Join Date: August 11, 2007 Location: Lancaster CA Posts: 105	question on bp shooting Seems like after shooting 3-4 cylinders of .44 through my Pietta, the cylinder gets hard to turn, etc. In between loadings, I spray the cylinder pin w/some Ballistol, but it doesn't seem to help. Also, I notice that some of the percussion cap fragments get hung up in the action preventing the cylinder from even turning. Am I doing something wrong here?

November 29, 2008, 01:22 PM	#8
grymster2007 Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: In the oak studded hills near Napa Posts: 2,203	On my '58 NMA I get one cylinder without trouble. Before reloading, I run a .22 rifle mop soaked in Ballistol down the cylinder bore and use a plastic brush to clean up the rest of the cylinder and the pin. All this and I can still reload in less than 15 minutes! __________________ grym

November 29, 2008, 02:40 PM	#11
long rider Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2008 Posts: 669	PAM? lets get out the pancakes. __________________ Sod Buster Tried To Pull On Willson.

November 29, 2008, 03:51 PM	#14
arcticap Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2005 Location: Central Connecticut Posts: 3,166	http://www.gojo.com/product/product.asp?productid=13 Pohill, There was a fellow on the MLF that swore by using GOJO waterless hand cleaner as a patch lubricant. He said that he could shoot all day using it. GOJO was originally developed to dissolve tire black carbon buildup from the hands of rubber plant workers. Powder fouling is also essentially carbon. I think that it contains mineral oil and lanolin which act as lubricants too. I wouldn't be surprised if it worked in place of bore butter in the Walker pistol, and it's very cheap at WalMart at about .99 cents for a small tub of it. Maybe it could even be used over the chambered balls. If it didn't lube as well, then it could still be used to clean one's hands and the BP fouling from guns after shooting at the range anyway. Just make sure to use the original formula GOJO without any pumice in it. Last edited by arcticap; November 29, 2008 at 04:06 PM.

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November 28, 2008, 11:34 PM	#2
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	3-4 is about right for a Remington design. A Colt should run a few more. If it's a Colt design you may have the wedge in too far. Smear the pin with Bore Butter before you install the cylinder. Caps getting in the action sound like a Colt design. Practice tipping the muzzle up slightly and over to the right a tad while you cock it and the frags will be less likely to fall into the action.

November 29, 2008, 09:15 AM	#3
lookylou Member Join Date: November 16, 2008 Location: Indy Posts: 19	Are you shooting real black powder? You might want to try some 777 or another synthetic. You will get the same smoke, without the smell, and your pistol will function longer between cleanings. I save my real BP for my flinters.

November 29, 2008, 10:45 AM	#4
pohill Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 2005 Location: northeast Posts: 521	I've taken some ribbing on my lube solution but I'll pass it on and you decide... On my BP revolvers that stop turning due to fouling (Remingtons and Colt Paterson) I spray the vegetable spray PAM on the pin and down the barrel. The result is amazing (I only use real black powder)

November 29, 2008, 11:16 AM	#5
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	Pam huh? I may hafta try that.

November 29, 2008, 12:18 PM	#6
M14MSgt Senior Member Join Date: August 11, 2007 Location: Lancaster CA Posts: 105	i am using Pyrodex.

November 29, 2008, 01:16 PM	#7
Hafoc Senior Member Join Date: August 20, 2005 Posts: 552	Dear Pohill: Need some lube for my BP revolver, especially something to prevent rust. Sure would be nice to have a spray version to carry to the range, but all the spray gun oils are petroleum-based, and supposedly make a real mess with true BP. If only they made some organic, vegetable-based spray gun oil that I could.. What did you say? Pam? PAM? Pam. (facepalms) Thanks for making me feel like an idiot.

November 29, 2008, 01:39 PM	#9
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	Grym are you coating your cylinder pin with Bore Butter or something similar? Your cylinder gap may be too close if that's all you're getting. I use 35 grs. of powder and I usually get 3-4 before I start to feel the drag and a couple more before I pull it down.

November 29, 2008, 02:24 PM	#10
pohill Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 2005 Location: northeast Posts: 521	Patersons are about the worst guns for fouling, but one day I tried PAM on the pin and the gun kept going and going. I also spray it down the barrel, let it set for a few minutes, pick the barrel up and a glob of PAM and crud slides out. It also works on the Remingtons but for some reason, not so well on the other Colts (the Walker hates it). Not bad on my Ruger, either. PAM and Bore Butter are both food grade. But...I don't use PAM as a lube after cleaning the gun. That's Bore Butter's job. (What did I do now? The price of PAM just doubled)

November 29, 2008, 02:43 PM	#13
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	Grease it up good with Bore Butter and it'll run a few more. Haven't tried PAM yet so don't have an opinion on it.

December 18, 2008, 12:55 AM	#15
00ford Junior Member Join Date: December 18, 2008 Location: new york go to college in tucumcari new mexico Posts: 2	I spray all the internals and the cylinder pin with remoil with teflon and I can usually fire 10 shots without a hitch. The fouling comes right off after soaking it in hot water for about a minute.