Feral hogs in Florida hunt this Easter.. sidearm

Tactical Jackalope · April 14, 2014, 08:08 PM

I'm going hog hunting and got into a debate with my buddy.

.45ACP SIG P220

OR

.357SIG SIG P229 ?

Art Eatman · April 14, 2014, 08:25 PM

What's the muzzle velocity of the .357? If it's above that of the .45 when using heavy bullets, it would be my choice.

I say this mostly because a buddy of mine has a mounted trophy of a 250-pound hog he killed with a .357 revolver. He thought it was not a difficult kill.

Brotherbadger · April 15, 2014, 12:23 AM

Whichever gun you are more accurate with. You can use a S&W 500 if you want, but it's worthless if you can't hit anything with it. As long as you use a heavy bullet(or at least not a HP), both should be fine. My personal preference? I'd take the P220.

globemaster3 · April 15, 2014, 06:53 AM

Are you hunting over dogs or looking to get close?

Tactical Jackalope · April 15, 2014, 07:53 AM

We're going to be really close. 25 yards max at this place apparently. That's if we don't get anything from the tree stands in a while. Then they have dogs sniff them out, but they don't catch and hold them. They'll break off.

I don't know Art, maybe it'll be my choice too. I know for sure that .357SIG is a nasty round just don't know if it'll bring what I want it to bring to the table.

P220 huh badger...The guys at work are saying the same thing.

**Spats McGee** · April 15, 2014, 02:44 PM

Are you: (a) hunting with the pistol; or (b) hunting with a rifle, and using the pistol to dispatch wounded hogs?

RedBowTies88 · April 15, 2014, 02:47 PM

Neither,

7.62x25

Tactical Jackalope · April 15, 2014, 02:58 PM

Lol oh wow. Well taking my AR and I have my sidearm in case I get chased too. But yes, primarily to depart a hog / finish the job.

Sharkbite · April 15, 2014, 03:17 PM

Quote:

RedBowTies88 Neither,

7.62x25

Jezzzz... I hope not. PPSH maybe?

Maybe 7.62x35?

stephen426 · April 15, 2014, 08:20 PM

The .357 Sig has quite a bit more energy. The .45 ACP has been around a long time and could easily handle a lot more power in modern firearms. The problem is there is a massive liability if a hot loaded round blew up in an older gun. The .45 GAP is proof that the .45 ACP case is longer than it needs to be since the ballistics from the .45 GAP are almost identical. The case of the .45 GAP is actually slightly shorter than a 9mm. .357 Sig should be able to take Florida sized hog fairly easily.

globemaster3 · April 15, 2014, 08:23 PM

In that case, either would be acceptable. Consider I used to dispatch trapped hogs in the pen with a .22LR. 1 shot behind the ear... Worked every time.

Tactical Jackalope · April 16, 2014, 09:51 AM

I'm looking to potentially incapacitate if need be. I wouldn't do a .22LR for that.

I have 9mm +p+ rounds. .357SIG and .45ACP.

GeauxTide · April 16, 2014, 12:33 PM

It's not the caliber, it's the bullets. ACP and Sig bullets are designed for people. If I were using my ACP, I'd load 200 Hard Lead SWC to 1000fps if the piggys were no larger than 100#. Anything larger, my Ruger 44 Special or 45 Colt loaded with 240-275 SWC at 1100fps.

Tactical Jackalope · April 16, 2014, 12:35 PM

These are from 80 - 300 lbs

We're using rifles. I'm just curious of the sidearm. I wish I had a .44 magnum lol.

rickyrick · April 16, 2014, 09:08 PM

Well... I've had mixed results with handguns and pigs....

45 caliber tends to have inconsistent results on them.
I fired a shot down the top of the head wit a 45 and it made an exit out of its chest, he locked up and fell over.. I went to get a rope from the truck and when I turned back around he was back up and walking

Killed a few with 9mm, it's no rifle cartridge is all I can say but will work...

In my experience with pigs, velocity rules the day at close ranges.

Tactical Jackalope · April 16, 2014, 09:47 PM

That's why I want to take my .357SIG and stagger JHP and FMJ'S. But I'm getting grief for that... everyone's bringing .45ACP or .44MAG.

I think .357SIG will dispatch them just fine. Can't we agree?

globemaster3 · April 16, 2014, 10:18 PM

Wait... You're bringing the AR for longer shots, and only intend the pistol for very close, pants messing moments or coup de gras shots, right? Were talking your pistol being used on about 20' to point blank, right? Anything you've mentioned with work just fine!

I wasn't recommending you buy a .22LR for this trip.

I was merely pointing out that hogs are not impossible to kill and all of your selections are much more powerful than my lowly .22LR. Quit worrying, pick the one you shoot best, get some good ammo, and go have some fun finding some piney woods rooters!

Tactical Jackalope · April 16, 2014, 10:26 PM

Lol. Thanks man. Like an asshat tonight at work I shot my 127gr Ranger T +p+'s. (9mm) which is my go to for 2 legged critters. So I guess I'll just see when the day comes..I think .357SIG is on my mind a little more for some reason.

Tactical Jackalope · April 16, 2014, 11:54 PM

Okay, so I lied to myself. I just did something that I don't regret one bit.

Got myself a designated pig sidearm for hunts like these.

Taurus PT1911. Black. No rail. $525.

I'm a HUGE gun brat, so this is going to be fun for me. All I may do is change the hammer myself.

.45ACP it is. Staggered ball ammo and JHP's right? Or ball ammo?

Art Eatman · April 17, 2014, 10:06 AM

Will the JHP actually open and expand? Just off the cuff, I'd figure that the Ball would be more reliable for penetration.

Tactical Jackalope · April 17, 2014, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Art Eatman

Will the JHP actually open and expand? Just off the cuff, I'd figure that the Ball would be more reliable for penetration.

This is funny. I value the forums opinions a lot more. More so than the man who told me the other stuff. Only thing I understand a little more now is .45ACP over .357SIG. But ball definitely would make more sense instead of JHP's.

I won't be getting my 1911 beater in time. So I guess the Glock 30 is coming with me I would bring the SIG P220, but it's got this magazine issue right now.

Double Naught Spy · April 18, 2014, 06:01 PM

I only use a pistol to finish off a hog if it is very close and I can place the shot through the brain. Otherwise, I just go ahead and use my rifle.

Given your choices, Constantine, I would suggest you carry that which you can shoot best 1 handed.

Quote:

It's not the caliber, it's the bullets. ACP and Sig bullets are designed for people.

...which means they won't work on hogs? Okay, the source material for this has got to be interesting. Please share.

ammo.crafter · April 18, 2014, 07:38 PM

Personal experience with a 350 pound tusker who rose up after being hit with my .444 fell to a hastily fired 41 mag with 220gr linotype lead.

Tactical Jackalope · April 20, 2014, 08:40 PM

Tactical Jackalope · April 20, 2014, 08:41 PM

April 14, 2014, 08:08 PM	#1
Tactical Jackalope Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2010 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 6,429	Feral hogs in Florida hunt this Easter.. sidearm I'm going hog hunting and got into a debate with my buddy. .45ACP SIG P220 OR .357SIG SIG P229 ?

April 15, 2014, 12:23 AM	#3
Brotherbadger Senior Member Join Date: November 10, 2010 Posts: 1,149	Whichever gun you are more accurate with. You can use a S&W 500 if you want, but it's worthless if you can't hit anything with it. As long as you use a heavy bullet(or at least not a HP), both should be fine. My personal preference? I'd take the P220. __________________ Once Fired Brass, Top quality, Fast shipping, Best prices. http://300AacBrass.com/ -10% Coupon use code " badger "

April 15, 2014, 06:53 AM	#4
globemaster3 Senior Member Join Date: January 28, 2006 Posts: 1,482	Are you hunting over dogs or looking to get close? __________________ NRA Life Member "We have enough gun control. What we need is idiot control."

April 15, 2014, 02:44 PM	#6
Spats McGee Staff Join Date: July 28, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 8,821	Are you: (a) hunting with the pistol; or (b) hunting with a rifle, and using the pistol to dispatch wounded hogs? __________________ I'm a lawyer, but I'm not your lawyer. If you need some honest-to-goodness legal advice, go buy some.

April 15, 2014, 02:47 PM	#7
RedBowTies88 Senior Member Join Date: October 18, 2011 Location: 609 NJ Posts: 705	Neither, 7.62x25 __________________ "...with liberty and justice for all." (Must be 21. Void where prohibited. Some restrictions may apply. Not available in all states.)

April 14, 2014, 08:25 PM	#2
Art Eatman Staff in Memoriam Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Terlingua, TX; Thomasville, GA Posts: 24,798	What's the muzzle velocity of the .357? If it's above that of the .45 when using heavy bullets, it would be my choice. I say this mostly because a buddy of mine has a mounted trophy of a 250-pound hog he killed with a .357 revolver. He thought it was not a difficult kill.

April 15, 2014, 07:53 AM	#5
Tactical Jackalope Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2010 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 6,429	We're going to be really close. 25 yards max at this place apparently. That's if we don't get anything from the tree stands in a while. Then they have dogs sniff them out, but they don't catch and hold them. They'll break off. I don't know Art, maybe it'll be my choice too. I know for sure that .357SIG is a nasty round just don't know if it'll bring what I want it to bring to the table. P220 huh badger...The guys at work are saying the same thing.

April 15, 2014, 02:58 PM	#8
Tactical Jackalope Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2010 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 6,429	Lol oh wow. Well taking my AR and I have my sidearm in case I get chased too. But yes, primarily to depart a hog / finish the job.

April 15, 2014, 08:20 PM	#10
stephen426 Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 2005 Posts: 3,840	The .357 Sig has quite a bit more energy. The .45 ACP has been around a long time and could easily handle a lot more power in modern firearms. The problem is there is a massive liability if a hot loaded round blew up in an older gun. The .45 GAP is proof that the .45 ACP case is longer than it needs to be since the ballistics from the .45 GAP are almost identical. The case of the .45 GAP is actually slightly shorter than a 9mm. .357 Sig should be able to take Florida sized hog fairly easily. __________________ The ATF should be a convenience store instead of a government agency!

April 15, 2014, 08:23 PM	#11
globemaster3 Senior Member Join Date: January 28, 2006 Posts: 1,482	In that case, either would be acceptable. Consider I used to dispatch trapped hogs in the pen with a .22LR. 1 shot behind the ear... Worked every time. __________________ NRA Life Member "We have enough gun control. What we need is idiot control."

April 16, 2014, 09:51 AM	#12
Tactical Jackalope Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2010 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 6,429	I'm looking to potentially incapacitate if need be. I wouldn't do a .22LR for that. I have 9mm +p+ rounds. .357SIG and .45ACP.

April 16, 2014, 12:33 PM	#13
GeauxTide Senior Member Join Date: April 20, 2009 Location: Helena, AL Posts: 4,424	It's not the caliber, it's the bullets. ACP and Sig bullets are designed for people. If I were using my ACP, I'd load 200 Hard Lead SWC to 1000fps if the piggys were no larger than 100#. Anything larger, my Ruger 44 Special or 45 Colt loaded with 240-275 SWC at 1100fps.

April 16, 2014, 12:35 PM	#14
Tactical Jackalope Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2010 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 6,429	These are from 80 - 300 lbs We're using rifles. I'm just curious of the sidearm. I wish I had a .44 magnum lol.

April 16, 2014, 09:08 PM	#15
rickyrick Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2010 Posts: 8,238	Well... I've had mixed results with handguns and pigs.... 45 caliber tends to have inconsistent results on them. I fired a shot down the top of the head wit a 45 and it made an exit out of its chest, he locked up and fell over.. I went to get a rope from the truck and when I turned back around he was back up and walking Killed a few with 9mm, it's no rifle cartridge is all I can say but will work... In my experience with pigs, velocity rules the day at close ranges. __________________ Woohoo, I’m back In Texas!!!

April 16, 2014, 09:47 PM	#16
Tactical Jackalope Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2010 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 6,429	That's why I want to take my .357SIG and stagger JHP and FMJ'S. But I'm getting grief for that... everyone's bringing .45ACP or .44MAG. I think .357SIG will dispatch them just fine. Can't we agree?

April 16, 2014, 10:18 PM	#17
globemaster3 Senior Member Join Date: January 28, 2006 Posts: 1,482	Wait... You're bringing the AR for longer shots, and only intend the pistol for very close, pants messing moments or coup de gras shots, right? Were talking your pistol being used on about 20' to point blank, right? Anything you've mentioned with work just fine! I wasn't recommending you buy a .22LR for this trip. I was merely pointing out that hogs are not impossible to kill and all of your selections are much more powerful than my lowly .22LR. Quit worrying, pick the one you shoot best, get some good ammo, and go have some fun finding some piney woods rooters! __________________ NRA Life Member "We have enough gun control. What we need is idiot control."

April 16, 2014, 10:26 PM	#18
Tactical Jackalope Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2010 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 6,429	Lol. Thanks man. Like an asshat tonight at work I shot my 127gr Ranger T +p+'s. (9mm) which is my go to for 2 legged critters. So I guess I'll just see when the day comes..I think .357SIG is on my mind a little more for some reason.

April 16, 2014, 11:54 PM	#19
Tactical Jackalope Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2010 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 6,429	Okay, so I lied to myself. I just did something that I don't regret one bit. Got myself a designated pig sidearm for hunts like these. Taurus PT1911. Black. No rail. $525. I'm a HUGE gun brat, so this is going to be fun for me. All I may do is change the hammer myself. .45ACP it is. Staggered ball ammo and JHP's right? Or ball ammo?

April 17, 2014, 10:06 AM	#20
Art Eatman Staff in Memoriam Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Terlingua, TX; Thomasville, GA Posts: 24,798	Will the JHP actually open and expand? Just off the cuff, I'd figure that the Ball would be more reliable for penetration.

April 18, 2014, 07:38 PM	#23
ammo.crafter Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2006 Location: The Keystone State Posts: 1,970	side arm Personal experience with a 350 pound tusker who rose up after being hit with my .444 fell to a hastily fired 41 mag with 220gr linotype lead. __________________ "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading". --Thomas Jefferson

April 20, 2014, 08:40 PM	#24
Tactical Jackalope Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2010 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 6,429

April 20, 2014, 08:41 PM	#25
Tactical Jackalope Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2010 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 6,429