168 Berger VLD Hunting 7mm Rem Mag

hooligan1 · April 27, 2014, 10:29 AM

Anybody tried these dudes yet?
I read about the Base to Ojive measurement system on their website, however they wanna sell me their manual to get best powder, min. start and max. info.
I have these powders available,
1.rl 22
2.rl 19
3.rl 17
4. IMR 4350
5.IMR 4831
6.IMR 7828
7. H4831sc
8.H4350
9. H1000
10.winchester supreme 780
Please and thank you

Jimro · April 27, 2014, 11:00 AM

You can create an accurate load with all of those powders.

Are you looking for a particular velocity?

Jimro

hooligan1 · April 27, 2014, 11:20 AM

Jimro, Im looking for 2850-2950.
I dont think casefill is a problem being this bullet gets seated deep.
I have started with 64,65,66, grains of RL22, @ .050 off lands and that puts this bullet with powder ticklin its hind end.

Jimro · April 27, 2014, 12:06 PM

This may help some: http://www.longrangehunting.com/foru...ag-load-53801/

Pretty much all the powders you have available are going to get into that velocity range.

Let us know how the Rl22 does for you.

Jimro

math teacher · April 27, 2014, 02:25 PM

65 grains of RL22 is normally listed as max for 160 grain lead core bullets, so the last two loads may be a bit stout.

Clark · April 27, 2014, 02:33 PM

I have experience with 140 and 180 gr VLD in 7mmRemMag with Re17 and Re22 respectively.

I get good velocity and good groups at 100 yards. I get good long range groups.

Then I shot some animals with it at close range. No workee.

I am back to Nosler ballistic tips. Bang flop at 500 yards, bang flop at 50 yards.

hooligan1 · April 28, 2014, 04:51 AM

I'm not sure if these loads will go huntin, I'm planning on shooting long range targets maybe beyond 500 yds depending on if the rifle likes them.

green_MTman · April 28, 2014, 05:36 AM

cant speak about powders because i have never loaded the 7mm mag or any 7mm.

i would recomend Federal 215 magnum primers for any of the non IMR powders for 7mm mag or any H&H based cartriges.
for IMR powders winchester large rifle magnum gets best results especialy the slow burning 4831 and 7828

hooligan1 · April 29, 2014, 04:47 AM

green MTman Im using CCI 250 magnum primers they always go bang..

HiBC · April 29, 2014, 07:31 AM

I have not loaded the Bergers.I have a box,though.Need to play,myself.

You have a great assortment of powders to try.Its going to be up to your rifle!

I might get surprised,but I suspect your winner will be Re-19,Re-22,or H-1000.

old roper · April 29, 2014, 01:12 PM

hooligan1, Berger has 17 powders listed for the 7mag with 168gr VLD and you have 8 of them. R-17 and 780 isn't listed.

IMR-7828ssc,R-25,Ramshot Magnum,Norma MRP,N-560 max velocity was over 3000fps but that was with 26" barrel.

My 280AI I worked up two loads using IMR-7828ssc and R-17 with 160gr AB and I found those two powders worked with Berger 168gr VLD and 180gr VLD. I had to do some adjustment on seating depth.

Well good luck

hooligan1 · April 30, 2014, 04:40 AM

Old roper, my model 70 has a 26" barrel. If I could pick your brain a bit, what were starting and max loads with those powders for the 168 VLD?
Please and thank you.

old roper · April 30, 2014, 08:27 AM

hooligan1,

58.5gr/65gr/R-22 start 2701fps max velocity 2984fps
56gr/62.4gr/R-19 start 2673fps max velocity 2944fps
52.5gr/58.5gr/IMR-4350 start 2596fps max velocity 2920fps
53.5gr/59.4gr/IMR-4831 start 2648fps max velocity 2887fps
59gr/65.3gr/IMR-7828 start 2701fps max velocity 3002fps
62.5gr/69.5gr/H-1000 start 2669fps max velocity 2987fps
57gr/63.4gr/H4831sc start 2618fps max velocity 2904fps

Miss counted you only have 7 powders

Well good luck.

**Unclenick** · April 30, 2014, 08:33 AM

Hooligan,

Also read this. Seating depths are funny with VLD's, and often wind up best at greater distances off the throat than you expect for tangent ogive bullets. Their new hybrid ogive is supposed to address that, but I don't know if that's what you have or not?

hooligan1 · April 30, 2014, 09:03 PM

Old roper thanx for the info man I appreciate that.

Unclenick, I started two data loafs with RL22 and seated those dudes .050 off the lands and the funny part (which aint funny) they have to be seated .020 more to work in my magazine, now I can load and shoot one at a time like normal test loads but to load the magazine I definitely have to go deeper which may cause some powder wieghts to become compressed. I'm not worried about that cause if I can, I'm looking more towards a target load at this point.

Roper your the man dude thanks again.
hooligan1

snolden · April 30, 2014, 09:14 PM

I used IMR4831 with those. Awesome load. 0.375" @ 100yds My accuracy peaked out at 2810 fps. 2825 and above spread the group out over 1 MOA in a old Winchester

The seating depth is weird, they like to jump to the lands, about 15 thousandths in my gun. My chamber was 3.350 and I ran it back to a 3.335 COAL.

Very good BC for my Arizona winds

H4831SC is another very good powder. I got similar results, but I have two kegs of the IMR that I load for my .30-06 so I stuck with it.

hooligan1 · May 3, 2014, 09:22 PM

Shot those loads today, nothing worth looking into.

I will try different powder and tighter BTO, and go back to roper's dope with H1000.

April 27, 2014, 10:29 AM	#1
hooligan1 Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2010 Location: Independence Missouri Posts: 4,585	168 Berger VLD Hunting 7mm Rem Mag Anybody tried these dudes yet? I read about the Base to Ojive measurement system on their website, however they wanna sell me their manual to get best powder, min. start and max. info. I have these powders available, 1.rl 22 2.rl 19 3.rl 17 4. IMR 4350 5.IMR 4831 6.IMR 7828 7. H4831sc 8.H4350 9. H1000 10.winchester supreme 780 Please and thank you __________________ Keep your Axe sharp and your powder dry.

April 27, 2014, 11:00 AM	#2
Jimro Senior Member Join Date: October 18, 2006 Posts: 7,097	You can create an accurate load with all of those powders. Are you looking for a particular velocity? Jimro __________________ Machine guns are awesome until you have to carry one.

April 27, 2014, 11:20 AM	#3
hooligan1 Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2010 Location: Independence Missouri Posts: 4,585	Jimro, Im looking for 2850-2950. I dont think casefill is a problem being this bullet gets seated deep. I have started with 64,65,66, grains of RL22, @ .050 off lands and that puts this bullet with powder ticklin its hind end. __________________ Keep your Axe sharp and your powder dry.

April 27, 2014, 12:06 PM	#4
Jimro Senior Member Join Date: October 18, 2006 Posts: 7,097	This may help some: http://www.longrangehunting.com/foru...ag-load-53801/ Pretty much all the powders you have available are going to get into that velocity range. Let us know how the Rl22 does for you. Jimro __________________ Machine guns are awesome until you have to carry one.

April 27, 2014, 02:33 PM	#6
Clark Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 1999 Location: WA, the ever blue state Posts: 4,678	I have experience with 140 and 180 gr VLD in 7mmRemMag with Re17 and Re22 respectively. I get good velocity and good groups at 100 yards. I get good long range groups. Then I shot some animals with it at close range. No workee. I am back to Nosler ballistic tips. Bang flop at 500 yards, bang flop at 50 yards. __________________ The word 'forum" does not mean "not criticizing books." "Ad hominem fallacy" is not the same as point by point criticism of books. If you bought the book, and believe it all, it may FEEL like an ad hominem attack, but you might strive to accept other points of view may exist. Are we a nation of competing ideas, or a nation of forced conformity of thought?

April 27, 2014, 02:25 PM	#5
math teacher Senior Member Join Date: February 5, 2012 Location: Southwest WA Coast Posts: 559	65 grains of RL22 is normally listed as max for 160 grain lead core bullets, so the last two loads may be a bit stout.

April 28, 2014, 04:51 AM	#7
hooligan1 Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2010 Location: Independence Missouri Posts: 4,585	I'm not sure if these loads will go huntin, I'm planning on shooting long range targets maybe beyond 500 yds depending on if the rifle likes them. __________________ Keep your Axe sharp and your powder dry.

April 28, 2014, 05:36 AM	#8
green_MTman Senior Member Join Date: March 27, 2014 Location: southeastern Vermont,USA Posts: 325	cant speak about powders because i have never loaded the 7mm mag or any 7mm. i would recomend Federal 215 magnum primers for any of the non IMR powders for 7mm mag or any H&H based cartriges. for IMR powders winchester large rifle magnum gets best results especialy the slow burning 4831 and 7828

April 29, 2014, 04:47 AM	#9
hooligan1 Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2010 Location: Independence Missouri Posts: 4,585	green MTman Im using CCI 250 magnum primers they always go bang.. __________________ Keep your Axe sharp and your powder dry.

April 29, 2014, 07:31 AM	#10
HiBC Senior Member Join Date: November 13, 2006 Posts: 8,286	I have not loaded the Bergers.I have a box,though.Need to play,myself. You have a great assortment of powders to try.Its going to be up to your rifle! I might get surprised,but I suspect your winner will be Re-19,Re-22,or H-1000.

April 29, 2014, 01:12 PM	#11
old roper Senior Member Join Date: June 11, 2007 Posts: 2,155	hooligan1, Berger has 17 powders listed for the 7mag with 168gr VLD and you have 8 of them. R-17 and 780 isn't listed. IMR-7828ssc,R-25,Ramshot Magnum,Norma MRP,N-560 max velocity was over 3000fps but that was with 26" barrel. My 280AI I worked up two loads using IMR-7828ssc and R-17 with 160gr AB and I found those two powders worked with Berger 168gr VLD and 180gr VLD. I had to do some adjustment on seating depth. Well good luck __________________ Semper Fi Vietnam 1965 VFW Life member NRA Life Member

April 30, 2014, 04:40 AM	#12
hooligan1 Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2010 Location: Independence Missouri Posts: 4,585	Old roper, my model 70 has a 26" barrel. If I could pick your brain a bit, what were starting and max loads with those powders for the 168 VLD? Please and thank you. __________________ Keep your Axe sharp and your powder dry.

April 30, 2014, 08:27 AM	#13
old roper Senior Member Join Date: June 11, 2007 Posts: 2,155	hooligan1, 58.5gr/65gr/R-22 start 2701fps max velocity 2984fps 56gr/62.4gr/R-19 start 2673fps max velocity 2944fps 52.5gr/58.5gr/IMR-4350 start 2596fps max velocity 2920fps 53.5gr/59.4gr/IMR-4831 start 2648fps max velocity 2887fps 59gr/65.3gr/IMR-7828 start 2701fps max velocity 3002fps 62.5gr/69.5gr/H-1000 start 2669fps max velocity 2987fps 57gr/63.4gr/H4831sc start 2618fps max velocity 2904fps Miss counted you only have 7 powders Well good luck. __________________ Semper Fi Vietnam 1965 VFW Life member NRA Life Member

April 30, 2014, 08:33 AM	#14
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,063	Hooligan, Also read this. Seating depths are funny with VLD's, and often wind up best at greater distances off the throat than you expect for tangent ogive bullets. Their new hybrid ogive is supposed to address that, but I don't know if that's what you have or not? __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

April 30, 2014, 09:03 PM	#15
hooligan1 Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2010 Location: Independence Missouri Posts: 4,585	Old roper thanx for the info man I appreciate that. Unclenick, I started two data loafs with RL22 and seated those dudes .050 off the lands and the funny part (which aint funny) they have to be seated .020 more to work in my magazine, now I can load and shoot one at a time like normal test loads but to load the magazine I definitely have to go deeper which may cause some powder wieghts to become compressed. I'm not worried about that cause if I can, I'm looking more towards a target load at this point. Roper your the man dude thanks again. hooligan1 __________________ Keep your Axe sharp and your powder dry.

April 30, 2014, 09:14 PM	#16
snolden Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2006 Location: N. E. AZ Posts: 387	I used IMR4831 with those. Awesome load. 0.375" @ 100yds My accuracy peaked out at 2810 fps. 2825 and above spread the group out over 1 MOA in a old Winchester The seating depth is weird, they like to jump to the lands, about 15 thousandths in my gun. My chamber was 3.350 and I ran it back to a 3.335 COAL. Very good BC for my Arizona winds H4831SC is another very good powder. I got similar results, but I have two kegs of the IMR that I load for my .30-06 so I stuck with it.

May 3, 2014, 09:22 PM	#17
hooligan1 Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2010 Location: Independence Missouri Posts: 4,585	Shot those loads today, nothing worth looking into. I will try different powder and tighter BTO, and go back to roper's dope with H1000. __________________ Keep your Axe sharp and your powder dry.