Steyer M95

tshadow6 · May 17, 2009, 04:21 PM

Does the Steyer M95 shoot regular 8mm ammo? I'm thinking of buying one, but the ads read caliber 8x56r. Is that the same caliber as the K98?

ar15chase · May 17, 2009, 04:24 PM

It shoots the 8x56r. I was looking into getting one of those rifles a while back, until I saw the price of the ammo. It is also near impossible for me to find it in my area. Even the gun store that sold the rifle didnt carry the ammo. So I just got another M-44.

tshadow6 · May 17, 2009, 04:38 PM

Thanks for the quick answer. Too bad about the cost of the ammo. The carbine looks to be the perfect size.

ar15chase · May 17, 2009, 04:49 PM

Yea they are cool guns, I really like the straight pull bolt. The ammo was the only turn off. I looked at one at Big-5 it was on sale, I believe it was on for $89.00

smoakingun · May 17, 2009, 07:44 PM

I have one, good shooter, if you search the net, ammo is available.

FALPhil · May 17, 2009, 08:32 PM

If you handload, you can get the components from Graf's. The bullets are 0.329 inches; the 8mm Mauser (8x57) nominal diameter is 0.323 inches. There is also a Lee mold for 0.330 bullets or you can get the Lee bullet sizer die which allows you to size 0.338 bullets to 0.329.

timgd · May 20, 2009, 08:41 PM

I bought my first one about 1963 it was my first center fire rifle,it cost me 5$ at big five.It was a real beater. I bought another one a couple of years ago when sportsmans guide was carrying surplus 8x56r at a decent price.Love the rifle but its very hard on the old shoulder.

jondar · May 21, 2009, 07:45 PM

Do these things kick like I think they do. I considered buying one at the gun show. Nice clean carbines, but the seller had no ammo so I went on down the line and bought a Mosin Nagant M38. The seller gave me a box of 200 gr Albanian ammo. I got home loaded it up, the first round jarred a crown off one of my lower molars. I'm told the M95 is lighter than the M38. How do they shoot?

timgd · May 21, 2009, 08:17 PM

Make sure your dental coverage is up to date.The last time I shot it was in the summer, maybe 40 rounds and a bruise the size of a grapefruit. Its not smart to shoot it with only a tee shirt for padding.

huchahuchax · May 21, 2009, 11:58 PM

I ordered one through J&G, and to be honest, I don't know when I will ever shoot the damned thing. It should be here by Tuesday.

I don't know what else to say - I just bought one for the sake of buying one.
Hurray for me.

R1145 · May 22, 2009, 01:13 AM

Herr Mannlicher was a genius, the Austrian John Browning. The M95 carbines are punishing to shoot, though.

They were originally chambered for a unique 8x50mm round, the rifles being the standard firearm of the Austro-Hungarian Empire in WWI. After the war, many were cut down to carbines and rechambered to 8x56R, which is what one usually sees today.

They were used extensively in WWII, mostly by Axis police and rear echelon troops. Much of the surplus ammo has a swastika headstamp.

I'd love to rechamber one to 7mm.

Overall, a neat piece of history. Very cool mechanically, ahead of its time. Not a very effective weapon, though.

jsmaye · May 22, 2009, 07:28 AM

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Not a very effective weapon, though.

How so?

raftman · June 4, 2009, 02:43 AM

I almost bought one too, also at Big-5, and also because it was on sale for $89. I almost went for it right on the spot The size and weight felt just right, and the straight pull bolt is a great feature too. But then I went home and did some homework on it, and like for most, the ammo situation was the deal breaker. Got an M44 instead, for $10 cheaper and ammo is everywhere.

CaptainCrossman · June 4, 2009, 06:29 AM

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Steyer M95
Does the Steyer M95 shoot regular 8mm ammo? I'm thinking of buying one, but the ads read caliber 8x56r. Is that the same caliber as the K98?

The original M95 fired 8x50R

the guns were then refitted at the armory in Europe between wars, to fire the more powerful 8x56R

I have an 8x56R rifle, not a carbine. It's in the shop now getting chamber cleanup/reamed. All original with original stock, not numbers matching. The rifles are hard to find, the carbines are a dime a dozen.

If you're interested, shoot me a PM or email, perhaps we can work a deal. I just bought 7 more guns a few days ago, from a guy that was getting out of it and housecleaning, so I need to make some space here, and may want to sell the M95.

Nothing looks better on the wall than an M95 long rifle. But I wanted mine to also shoot, and shells were getting stuck in the chamber after firing, so I'm having the chamber redone. I also have a spare bolt head and some small parts I'd throw in for free.

here's a few pics, let me know

CaptainCrossman · June 4, 2009, 06:30 AM

CaptainCrossman · June 4, 2009, 06:34 AM

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I almost bought one too, also at Big-5, and also because it was on sale for $89. I almost went for it right on the spot The size and weight felt just right, and the straight pull bolt is a great feature too. But then I went home and did some homework on it, and like for most, the ammo situation was the deal breaker. Got an M44 instead, for $10 cheaper and ammo is everywhere.

Yes, the carbine points and handles much like an SMLE jungle carbine, same small handy package. But I'd wager the 8x56R is more powerful than a 303 Brit- it throws a heavier projectile. and is 32 caliber. It sure kicks more.

8x56R ammo is available from Hornady already loaded in new Graf cases and is very high quality, I bought 2 boxes. At least it was available when I bought mine. Got dies from Midway. Ammo really isn't a big problem, buy a few boxes initially and then reload those cases many times. It's actually a quite powerful cartridge.

anyone interested, I'd throw in the ammo/dies too

raftman · June 4, 2009, 06:30 PM

I enjoy bolt action carbines, but don't want to put the time and effort into hand loading ammo, largely because I'd need the equipment and all, and I'd need to learn how... of course, I don't like the alternative, paying a lot and waiting a long time. Made the M44 kind of an obvious choice.

SIGSHR · June 5, 2009, 02:08 PM

You buy an M95 for the history. I have 3 in the original 8x50, that makes them correct for WWI, have yet to fire any of them, don't feel deprived.
The M95 was a sucessful design, it went through a rigororous testing process, for all that the Austro-Hungarian forces are derided as poor cousins to the Germans they fought hard for 4 years 1914-1918.

Dr. Mauser · June 5, 2009, 02:48 PM

I had the M-95, and loved the fact that it was a straight pull back bolt, but I couldnt find ammo anywhere. Then wouldnt you know it 2 weeks after I sold it I went to a gun show and a guy there was selling Nazi marked boxes of 20 rounds for 6 box a pop...

shouldnt have sold it

jondar · June 5, 2009, 03:10 PM

Several years ago there was a gun shop down the street from my employment and they had two WW1 French carbines for sale. The price was right and I intended to buy one but waited too long and they were gone. They were tiny little carbines, light as a feather, I thought, "what a great pickup truck gun." Looking back now, those carbines were chambered in 8mm Lebel and I bet they kicked like a howitzer. Can't remember their name.

Dr. Mauser · June 5, 2009, 03:20 PM

haha any ideas of what that might be, I'm a carbine fiend haha

NVM

Its called an 8mm Berthier Carbine..heres a link if anyone wants one

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIte...Item=130566183

or go to Gunbroker.com and search 'French Carbine'

Tom2 · June 5, 2009, 04:30 PM

If they were easily convertable to something like 30-30 they would be hot sellers as they probably weight about the same as a Winchester and that is not too punishing to shoot. But it is a more powerful round and the light gun combo is just a pain I am sure, probably like the short barrel Mosins are just too much cartridge in a short light gun. I have seen military carbine bolt actions in like 30-06 cal, I was highly tempted to get one and then thought about the recoil and blast. At least with it though, it would be easy to get components to download substantially to make it tolerable. Finding stuff to load the surp gun is gonna be one of those things you do if you are a gun loonie, as it will not pay for itself probably. Just for the experience of shooting a straight pull. If you want straight pull, go for a Swiss rifle, better made and ammo is available.

jondar · June 5, 2009, 07:51 PM

Totemkopf - Yes that was it, Berthier. Thank Goodness I didn't buy that causer of pain! Jon

Dr. Mauser · June 5, 2009, 10:54 PM

that thing woldve kicked like a B***h I had a Mosin M91/59 (One of my fav Rifles) and that sucker was bad, but an 8mm carbine woooowwweee..i dont even want to imagine that...Any other Carbine ideas? I wouldnt mind getting my hands on WWII era M1 Carbine..any ideas where to get one under $500

raftman · June 5, 2009, 11:31 PM

Oh come on folks, the kick on the short-barreled Mosins isn't THAT bad, I don't think I can even tell the difference between my M44 and my buddy's 91/30. Isn't the M44 slightly heavier than the long version?

May 17, 2009, 04:21 PM	#1
tshadow6 Senior Member Join Date: June 26, 2005 Posts: 619	Steyer M95 Does the Steyer M95 shoot regular 8mm ammo? I'm thinking of buying one, but the ads read caliber 8x56r. Is that the same caliber as the K98?

May 17, 2009, 04:24 PM	#2
ar15chase Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 2009 Location: Shallowater, Texas Posts: 444	It shoots the 8x56r. I was looking into getting one of those rifles a while back, until I saw the price of the ammo. It is also near impossible for me to find it in my area. Even the gun store that sold the rifle didnt carry the ammo. So I just got another M-44. __________________ A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares about more than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

May 17, 2009, 04:38 PM	#3
tshadow6 Senior Member Join Date: June 26, 2005 Posts: 619	M95 Thanks for the quick answer. Too bad about the cost of the ammo. The carbine looks to be the perfect size.

May 17, 2009, 04:49 PM	#4
ar15chase Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 2009 Location: Shallowater, Texas Posts: 444	Yea they are cool guns, I really like the straight pull bolt. The ammo was the only turn off. I looked at one at Big-5 it was on sale, I believe it was on for $89.00 __________________ A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares about more than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

May 17, 2009, 07:44 PM	#5
smoakingun Senior Member Join Date: April 12, 2009 Location: melrose, fl Posts: 634	I have one, good shooter, if you search the net, ammo is available. __________________ Hundreds of years from now, it will not matter what my bank account was, the sort of house I lived in, or the kind of car I drove... But the world may be different because I did something so bafflingly crazy that my ruins become a tourist attraction.

May 17, 2009, 08:32 PM	#6
FALPhil Senior Member Join Date: September 10, 2007 Location: Racoon City Posts: 934	If you handload, you can get the components from Graf's. The bullets are 0.329 inches; the 8mm Mauser (8x57) nominal diameter is 0.323 inches. There is also a Lee mold for 0.330 bullets or you can get the Lee bullet sizer die which allows you to size 0.338 bullets to 0.329.

May 20, 2009, 08:41 PM	#7
timgd Member Join Date: July 14, 2008 Location: SF bay area Posts: 85	M-95 I bought my first one about 1963 it was my first center fire rifle,it cost me 5$ at big five.It was a real beater. I bought another one a couple of years ago when sportsmans guide was carrying surplus 8x56r at a decent price.Love the rifle but its very hard on the old shoulder.

May 21, 2009, 07:45 PM	#8
jondar Senior Member Join Date: February 14, 2009 Posts: 126	Do these things kick like I think they do. I considered buying one at the gun show. Nice clean carbines, but the seller had no ammo so I went on down the line and bought a Mosin Nagant M38. The seller gave me a box of 200 gr Albanian ammo. I got home loaded it up, the first round jarred a crown off one of my lower molars. I'm told the M95 is lighter than the M38. How do they shoot?

May 21, 2009, 08:17 PM	#9
timgd Member Join Date: July 14, 2008 Location: SF bay area Posts: 85	m-95 Make sure your dental coverage is up to date.The last time I shot it was in the summer, maybe 40 rounds and a bruise the size of a grapefruit. Its not smart to shoot it with only a tee shirt for padding.

May 21, 2009, 11:58 PM	#10
huchahuchax Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2007 Posts: 298	I ordered one through J&G, and to be honest, I don't know when I will ever shoot the damned thing. It should be here by Tuesday. I don't know what else to say - I just bought one for the sake of buying one. Hurray for me.

May 22, 2009, 01:13 AM	#11
R1145 Senior Member Join Date: July 26, 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 351	Herr Mannlicher was a genius, the Austrian John Browning. The M95 carbines are punishing to shoot, though. They were originally chambered for a unique 8x50mm round, the rifles being the standard firearm of the Austro-Hungarian Empire in WWI. After the war, many were cut down to carbines and rechambered to 8x56R, which is what one usually sees today. They were used extensively in WWII, mostly by Axis police and rear echelon troops. Much of the surplus ammo has a swastika headstamp. I'd love to rechamber one to 7mm. Overall, a neat piece of history. Very cool mechanically, ahead of its time. Not a very effective weapon, though.

June 4, 2009, 02:43 AM	#13
raftman Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2009 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,890	I almost bought one too, also at Big-5, and also because it was on sale for $89. I almost went for it right on the spot The size and weight felt just right, and the straight pull bolt is a great feature too. But then I went home and did some homework on it, and like for most, the ammo situation was the deal breaker. Got an M44 instead, for $10 cheaper and ammo is everywhere.

June 4, 2009, 06:30 AM	#15
CaptainCrossman Junior member Join Date: April 2, 2009 Posts: 381

June 4, 2009, 06:30 PM	#17
raftman Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2009 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,890	I enjoy bolt action carbines, but don't want to put the time and effort into hand loading ammo, largely because I'd need the equipment and all, and I'd need to learn how... of course, I don't like the alternative, paying a lot and waiting a long time. Made the M44 kind of an obvious choice.

June 5, 2009, 02:08 PM	#18
SIGSHR Senior Member Join Date: September 13, 2005 Posts: 4,700	You buy an M95 for the history. I have 3 in the original 8x50, that makes them correct for WWI, have yet to fire any of them, don't feel deprived. The M95 was a sucessful design, it went through a rigororous testing process, for all that the Austro-Hungarian forces are derided as poor cousins to the Germans they fought hard for 4 years 1914-1918.

June 5, 2009, 02:48 PM	#19
Dr. Mauser Member Join Date: June 5, 2009 Location: Modesto, Califonria Posts: 50	I had the M-95, and loved the fact that it was a straight pull back bolt, but I couldnt find ammo anywhere. Then wouldnt you know it 2 weeks after I sold it I went to a gun show and a guy there was selling Nazi marked boxes of 20 rounds for 6 box a pop... shouldnt have sold it __________________ If I owned those, my life would be set! <img src=http://www.panzergrenadier.net/images/g43/badass.jpg>

June 5, 2009, 03:10 PM	#20
jondar Senior Member Join Date: February 14, 2009 Posts: 126	Several years ago there was a gun shop down the street from my employment and they had two WW1 French carbines for sale. The price was right and I intended to buy one but waited too long and they were gone. They were tiny little carbines, light as a feather, I thought, "what a great pickup truck gun." Looking back now, those carbines were chambered in 8mm Lebel and I bet they kicked like a howitzer. Can't remember their name.

June 5, 2009, 03:20 PM	#21
Dr. Mauser Member Join Date: June 5, 2009 Location: Modesto, Califonria Posts: 50	haha any ideas of what that might be, I'm a carbine fiend haha NVM Its called an 8mm Berthier Carbine..heres a link if anyone wants one http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIte...Item=130566183 or go to Gunbroker.com and search 'French Carbine' __________________ If I owned those, my life would be set! <img src=http://www.panzergrenadier.net/images/g43/badass.jpg> Last edited by Dr. Mauser; June 5, 2009 at 03:25 PM.

June 5, 2009, 04:30 PM	#22
Tom2 Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 5,676	If they were easily convertable to something like 30-30 they would be hot sellers as they probably weight about the same as a Winchester and that is not too punishing to shoot. But it is a more powerful round and the light gun combo is just a pain I am sure, probably like the short barrel Mosins are just too much cartridge in a short light gun. I have seen military carbine bolt actions in like 30-06 cal, I was highly tempted to get one and then thought about the recoil and blast. At least with it though, it would be easy to get components to download substantially to make it tolerable. Finding stuff to load the surp gun is gonna be one of those things you do if you are a gun loonie, as it will not pay for itself probably. Just for the experience of shooting a straight pull. If you want straight pull, go for a Swiss rifle, better made and ammo is available. __________________ Your gun is like your nose, it is just wrong for someone else to pick it for you!

June 5, 2009, 07:51 PM	#23
jondar Senior Member Join Date: February 14, 2009 Posts: 126	Totemkopf - Yes that was it, Berthier. Thank Goodness I didn't buy that causer of pain! Jon

June 5, 2009, 10:54 PM	#24
Dr. Mauser Member Join Date: June 5, 2009 Location: Modesto, Califonria Posts: 50	that thing woldve kicked like a B***h I had a Mosin M91/59 (One of my fav Rifles) and that sucker was bad, but an 8mm carbine woooowwweee..i dont even want to imagine that...Any other Carbine ideas? I wouldnt mind getting my hands on WWII era M1 Carbine..any ideas where to get one under $500 __________________ If I owned those, my life would be set! <img src=http://www.panzergrenadier.net/images/g43/badass.jpg>

June 5, 2009, 11:31 PM	#25
raftman Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2009 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,890	Oh come on folks, the kick on the short-barreled Mosins isn't THAT bad, I don't think I can even tell the difference between my M44 and my buddy's 91/30. Isn't the M44 slightly heavier than the long version?