Review : Russian KSAP 7.62x39

Kayser · February 23, 2012, 02:21 AM

Bought a bunch of this ultra cheap stuff from Wideners. KSAP is the name of either the company or the factory that churns these out. Thought I'd pull a couple and do a little forensics.

Summary : 123gr bullet, lead core FMJ, as advertised. Steel case, berdan primed (definitely not reloadable). Of the 2 I pulled, they measured 23.3 and 23.1 gr respectively. Powder is a stick of some kind. Based on what I'm seeing in the Hornady manual for that bullet/charge combo, maybe 4198 or equivalent? I calipered about 10, and OAL ranged from 2.180 to 2.195. This ammo won't be winning any awards for benchrest competition, but it should be perfectly fine for your average day at the range.

A couple notes of interest - they have some sort of imprecision in their assembly process because many rounds have small little dings at the case mouth, and many of those have a little bit of shaving on the bullet itself ( you can see this on the left side bullet in the 3rd image). Nothing concerning, and certainly nothing to complain about at $0.17 per round

Based on the headstamp, ammo looks like 2011 manufacture. Cases are clean and bullets are shiny. Pictures follow

Zach W. · February 23, 2012, 02:48 AM

Did ya weigh the bullets or cases or check runout?

Kayser · February 23, 2012, 02:50 AM

Just weighed the bullets and the powder. Bullets came in at 123.5 and 123.4.

hornetguy · February 23, 2012, 10:56 AM

Do they go "bang"??

February 23, 2012, 02:21 AM	#1
Kayser Senior Member Join Date: May 29, 2002 Location: Illinois :( Posts: 550	Review : Russian KSAP 7.62x39 Bought a bunch of this ultra cheap stuff from Wideners. KSAP is the name of either the company or the factory that churns these out. Thought I'd pull a couple and do a little forensics. Summary : 123gr bullet, lead core FMJ, as advertised. Steel case, berdan primed (definitely not reloadable). Of the 2 I pulled, they measured 23.3 and 23.1 gr respectively. Powder is a stick of some kind. Based on what I'm seeing in the Hornady manual for that bullet/charge combo, maybe 4198 or equivalent? I calipered about 10, and OAL ranged from 2.180 to 2.195. This ammo won't be winning any awards for benchrest competition, but it should be perfectly fine for your average day at the range. A couple notes of interest - they have some sort of imprecision in their assembly process because many rounds have small little dings at the case mouth, and many of those have a little bit of shaving on the bullet itself ( you can see this on the left side bullet in the 3rd image). Nothing concerning, and certainly nothing to complain about at $0.17 per round Based on the headstamp, ammo looks like 2011 manufacture. Cases are clean and bullets are shiny. Pictures follow __________________ ----------------- Box Of Truth Afficionado! Last edited by Kayser; February 23, 2012 at 02:38 AM.

February 23, 2012, 02:50 AM	#3
Kayser Senior Member Join Date: May 29, 2002 Location: Illinois :( Posts: 550	Just weighed the bullets and the powder. Bullets came in at 123.5 and 123.4. __________________ ----------------- Box Of Truth Afficionado!

February 23, 2012, 10:56 AM	#4
hornetguy Senior Member Join Date: January 14, 2011 Location: on the north side of DFW Posts: 970	Do they go "bang"?? __________________ I always felt that if I got to the point where I thought it was time to bury my firearms, it was actually time to pick them up..

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February 23, 2012, 02:48 AM	#2
Zach W. Member Join Date: March 4, 2010 Posts: 72	Did ya weigh the bullets or cases or check runout?