Anyone have an Arsenal Double Barrel 45? - Page 2

Madcap_Magician · November 19, 2014, 11:29 AM

Because, I was wondering, under what circumstances might we use such a weapon?

James K · November 19, 2014, 06:46 PM

Hi, Skans,

Maybe the timing can be "adjusted" for one brand of ammo and primer, but can it be "adjusted" for all possible brands/types? Remember, we are dealing in milliseconds; that slide can begin to move after the other hammer has fallen, so the idea that the hammer can't contact the firing pin is beside the point.

The only way to find out would be to buy one of those guns and wring it out with thousands of combinations of ammunition. Honestly, I am not planning to do that and, unless you do, I guess the point will remain moot.

Jim

Microgunner · November 20, 2014, 05:34 AM

I don't believe the designers /manufacturer ever intended to arm anyone. This was probably an exercise in 'can it be done ' that began after a night of drinking.

Skans · November 20, 2014, 09:18 AM

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Honestly, I am not planning to do that and, unless you do, I guess the point will remain moot.

At some price, I'd buy one and test it out....nowhere near $5,000 though!

Microgunner · November 20, 2014, 11:17 AM

I'd like to own one too, because look how interesting everyone finds the concept.

Skans · February 6, 2015, 09:57 AM

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Here is what I am thinking. Both hammers fall. But mechanically, it is impossible to be sure both fall at exactly the same time. It might seem like simultaneously, but we are dealing in milliseconds here.

I just saw a close-up of the hammer(s). It's actually one hammer, not two. It must fire simultaneously or not at all. Does it require a pull of both triggers to drop the hammer? I don't know.

Anyway, I also saw that the frames are made in Italy. So, my thought is that either Tanfoglio or Beretta is actually making the frames......but just don't want to have their name on it for whatever reason. Are there any other Italian pistol makers that could pull this off?

Sharkbite · February 6, 2015, 04:17 PM

There was a company at SHOT last year doing the same thing with an AR

AirCool65 · February 6, 2015, 06:07 PM

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I don't believe the designers /manufacturer ever intended to arm anyone. This was probably an exercise in 'can it be done ' that began after a night of drinking.

I was thinking the same thing.

Venom1956 · February 6, 2015, 10:55 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSnyQV5pBKM

Look @ this especially 2.15 it shows the right barrel seemingly shoot alot faster then the left. perhaps the left is venting gases due to lock up or just less powder in the round.

Skans · February 7, 2015, 10:42 AM

Very cool video! To me, it looked like the shots from each barrel were pretty well synchronized. Only in one of the frames (overhead view) did it look like the left bullet left the bore a tiny fraction faster on the left than the right, but this is in ultra slow motion. Not enough to make a difference.

What I did notice is that the gun has quite a bit of muzzle rise. Way more than my Desert Eagle 44 magnum. I wonder what one cartridge two 45acp cartridges would be equivalent to?

Venom1956 · February 7, 2015, 02:10 PM

yeah I noticed as you said most clear the tubes pretty close together. they also seem to impact the target @ similar speeds and times aswell. I am curious about the recoil as well. The shooter seems to have a very relaxed stance at the elbows and wrist which probably make the recoil look more extreme. Kinda like the SSA letting it roll up after its fired.

**JohnKSa** · February 7, 2015, 02:37 PM

I handled one of these pistols at the DSC convention last month. The hammer is a single unit so there's no way for one hammer to fall by itself.

You can pull one trigger or both, it makes no difference, As I understand it the triggers are linked together in some way so pulling one, or the other, or both will all have the same effect.

There could be very small differences in the firing behavior of one barrel vs. the other based on small differences in firing pin length and other minor differences between one upper and the other, but the differences should be very small.

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Groups the size of a mere watermelon at 25 yards?

Regulating two fixed barrels on a rifle to shoot to the same point of aim is a difficult job requiring a skilled gunsmith. Regulating two floating barrels in a locked breech design pistol to shoot to the same point of aim is going to be even more difficult. Fortunately, I doubt anyone is buying this gun for competition or target shooting.

That said, I think that if you loaded only one "side" of the pistol, you could probably get pretty good groups.

peggysue · February 7, 2015, 03:09 PM

My novelty Taurus View was only $350 and is already discontinued. $5000 it too rich for me for a toy gun. Now if I win the Powerball today that is a different story.

peggysue · February 8, 2015, 09:36 AM

Didn't win the Powerball but it rolled over so I can have a chance at $450 million

Rembrandt · February 8, 2015, 05:32 PM

I've had a chance to see one at a gun show....look to be very well built and engineered. Price was in the $4000 range.

James K · February 8, 2015, 06:45 PM

The note on the video says the guns are made in Italy.

Maybe they work perfectly, but to what purpose? The advantage of hitting an enemy with two bullets is (IMHO) more than offset by the bulk, mass, recoil and muzzle blast.

I wonder if anyone has played with duplex loads in .45 ACP; that might be a more feasible way of putting two bullets in the target.

Jim

November 20, 2014, 05:34 AM	#28
Microgunner Senior Member Join Date: March 6, 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 3,324	I don't believe the designers /manufacturer ever intended to arm anyone. This was probably an exercise in 'can it be done ' that began after a night of drinking. __________________ *Proud NRA Benefactor Member*

November 20, 2014, 11:17 AM	#30
Microgunner Senior Member Join Date: March 6, 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 3,324	I'd like to own one too, because look how interesting everyone finds the concept. __________________ *Proud NRA Benefactor Member*

February 6, 2015, 10:55 PM	#34
Venom1956 Senior Member Join Date: October 4, 2008 Location: WI Posts: 3,656	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSnyQV5pBKM Look @ this especially 2.15 it shows the right barrel seemingly shoot alot faster then the left. perhaps the left is venting gases due to lock up or just less powder in the round. __________________ E-Shock rounds are engineered to expend maximum energy into soft targets, turning the density mass into an expanding rotational cone of NyTrilium matrix particles, causing neurological collapse to the central nervous system.- Yeah I can do that. I guarantee you will know it if a bicyclist hits your house going 1000 mph. -Smaug

February 7, 2015, 02:10 PM	#36
Venom1956 Senior Member Join Date: October 4, 2008 Location: WI Posts: 3,656	yeah I noticed as you said most clear the tubes pretty close together. they also seem to impact the target @ similar speeds and times aswell. I am curious about the recoil as well. The shooter seems to have a very relaxed stance at the elbows and wrist which probably make the recoil look more extreme. Kinda like the SSA letting it roll up after its fired. __________________ E-Shock rounds are engineered to expend maximum energy into soft targets, turning the density mass into an expanding rotational cone of NyTrilium matrix particles, causing neurological collapse to the central nervous system.- Yeah I can do that. I guarantee you will know it if a bicyclist hits your house going 1000 mph. -Smaug

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November 19, 2014, 11:29 AM	#26
Madcap_Magician Senior Member Join Date: August 13, 2009 Location: MN Posts: 668	Because, I was wondering, under what circumstances might we use such a weapon?

November 19, 2014, 06:46 PM	#27
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Hi, Skans, Maybe the timing can be "adjusted" for one brand of ammo and primer, but can it be "adjusted" for all possible brands/types? Remember, we are dealing in milliseconds; that slide can begin to move after the other hammer has fallen, so the idea that the hammer can't contact the firing pin is beside the point. The only way to find out would be to buy one of those guns and wring it out with thousands of combinations of ammunition. Honestly, I am not planning to do that and, unless you do, I guess the point will remain moot. Jim

February 6, 2015, 04:17 PM	#32
Sharkbite Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 2013 Location: Western slope of Colorado Posts: 3,679	There was a company at SHOT last year doing the same thing with an AR

February 7, 2015, 10:42 AM	#35
Skans Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2008 Posts: 11,132	Very cool video! To me, it looked like the shots from each barrel were pretty well synchronized. Only in one of the frames (overhead view) did it look like the left bullet left the bore a tiny fraction faster on the left than the right, but this is in ultra slow motion. Not enough to make a difference. What I did notice is that the gun has quite a bit of muzzle rise. Way more than my Desert Eagle 44 magnum. I wonder what one cartridge two 45acp cartridges would be equivalent to?

February 7, 2015, 03:09 PM	#38
peggysue Junior member Join Date: May 20, 2014 Posts: 1,835	My novelty Taurus View was only $350 and is already discontinued. $5000 it too rich for me for a toy gun. Now if I win the Powerball today that is a different story.

February 8, 2015, 09:36 AM	#39
peggysue Junior member Join Date: May 20, 2014 Posts: 1,835	Didn't win the Powerball but it rolled over so I can have a chance at $450 million

February 8, 2015, 05:32 PM	#40
Rembrandt Senior Member Join Date: August 10, 2002 Posts: 2,108	I've had a chance to see one at a gun show....look to be very well built and engineered. Price was in the $4000 range.

February 8, 2015, 06:45 PM	#41
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	The note on the video says the guns are made in Italy. Maybe they work perfectly, but to what purpose? The advantage of hitting an enemy with two bullets is (IMHO) more than offset by the bulk, mass, recoil and muzzle blast. I wonder if anyone has played with duplex loads in .45 ACP; that might be a more feasible way of putting two bullets in the target. Jim