comparison of muzzle flash----more=better

3 weelin geezer · June 13, 2005, 08:37 PM

Does anyone know where I can find information on the types of powder and how much muzzle flash there is in XXX pistol? I am thinking of reloading for my .357 magnum or a .44 mag or even my contender hand cannon in .30-06. I would like to find some recommended powder for these not really for speed but for 'show'. I would like to have them rival an m44 7.62x54r in muzzle flash.

rambo1937 · June 18, 2005, 10:52 AM

The reason you get muzzle flash is,the powder is so slow burning that it is not all burnt before the projectile exits the barrel. SOOO if you want muzzle flash find a very slow powder for the calibur you are loading and go from there. But always be safe rather than cute.....Jim

BigSlick · June 18, 2005, 04:41 PM

For the .357 and .44 mags (depending upon bullet weight used) Alliant Power Pistol can give a spectacular light show.

For 30-06, I don't have any idea.

BigSlick

Kamicosmos · June 19, 2005, 04:36 PM

Dunno about 3006, but out of a short barrel, just about anything will give a big flash!

for .357 and .44 H110 gives a very nice fireball. I call it my Crowd Pleasing Powder.

knightkrawler00 · June 20, 2005, 10:20 AM

Second on the H110, it will throw a good size flame out of my 4" Model 66. You should see it from on of those Scandium J-frames, I hear it was pretty cool, but I was flinching so bad after the first shot that I couldn't keep my eyes open.

**Mike Irwin** · June 20, 2005, 12:03 PM

Muzzle flash isn't just a factor of unburned powder.

It's also a factor of incandescence -- the superheated and pressurized gas is actually glowing.

If you want flash, Blue Dot is always good for flash.

**Mal H** · June 20, 2005, 12:37 PM

Mike's right. The brightest portion of the fireball is a short-lived plasma of extremely hot ionized gas.

Now, if you want a real flash from a 30-06 use a light weight .308 bullet (such as 125 gr.) with 49.0 grains of AA 2230. This is a safe load with a 125 gr. bullet or lighter (don't go heavier) and it gives a huge fireball even out of a 22" rifle. It's got to be even better out of a Contender.

Zekewolf · June 20, 2005, 01:16 PM

I just can't, for the life of me, understand why an adult would desire a lot of muzzle flash.

Tim R · June 20, 2005, 02:43 PM

Bluedot will give a nice flash in 357 and it's a great 357 powder to boot.

Zeke, I dunno, might be from playing with M-80's as a kid.

I know I sure don't like a big flash when I'm shooting a HP match.

Big Yac · June 20, 2005, 04:02 PM

I hear Win 296 gives a nice flash too...I'm also wondering about Ramshot Enforcer

Ben Shepherd · June 20, 2005, 06:05 PM

Blue dot gives the biggest flash I've seen in 357.

Archie · June 20, 2005, 08:33 PM

Light bullet - slow powder.

Many years ago in my mis-spent youth, I loaded up some 'celebration blanks' for New Year's Eve. A small wax plug over 20 grains of 2400.

Made a good loud noise and, in the dark, about four feet of orange flame.

Trapp · June 20, 2005, 09:22 PM

Why you ask?

Why not!!!

**Mal H** · June 20, 2005, 11:23 PM

Exactly!

Heck, fun with firearms comes in all varieties of activities as long as safety is the first and foremost factor.

3 weelin geezer · June 24, 2005, 05:43 AM

I just can't, for the life of me, understand why an adult would desire a lot of muzzle flash.

________________________

What? No you must lack size somewhere else comment? Whats this world coming to???? Well, I really like all the noise the mosin-nagant makes and the fireworks aint bad.

Ben Shepherd · June 24, 2005, 07:40 PM

Try a 223 10" contender barrel!!! That is a RIOT(if you just want flash)

farmall · June 24, 2005, 09:45 PM

I agree, Bluedot in 357 is very flashy, also in 9mm. IMHO, my 22-250 Striker pocket rifle is unbeatable for flash/blast. Friends tell me about 8 foot fireball when loaded with H380. I know it lights up the night!!

gschwertley · July 4, 2005, 10:09 PM

Well, for pistol flash my vote is for W-296, and that's why I won't use it anymore. W-296 is very comparable to H-110; some people say these two powders are made in the same factory, the only difference is the label.

That's funny; I like Blue Dot and have never thought it flashed like 296, but I know my Blue Dot is old.

For lots of flash in rifle cartridges, use just about any ball powder that is compatible with the cartridge and the weight of bullet used. I my limited experience, just about any ball powder in any rifle caliber will give more flash than a comparable extruded, flake, or cut-sheet powder. The reason those Russian rifle rounds flash so much is because they are charged with ball powder.

June 13, 2005, 08:37 PM	#1
3 weelin geezer Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2004 Posts: 438	comparison of muzzle flash----more=better Does anyone know where I can find information on the types of powder and how much muzzle flash there is in XXX pistol? I am thinking of reloading for my .357 magnum or a .44 mag or even my contender hand cannon in .30-06. I would like to find some recommended powder for these not really for speed but for 'show'. I would like to have them rival an m44 7.62x54r in muzzle flash.

June 18, 2005, 10:52 AM	#2
rambo1937 Member Join Date: June 14, 2005 Posts: 23	Muzzle Flash The reason you get muzzle flash is,the powder is so slow burning that it is not all burnt before the projectile exits the barrel. SOOO if you want muzzle flash find a very slow powder for the calibur you are loading and go from there. But always be safe rather than cute.....Jim

June 18, 2005, 04:41 PM	#3
BigSlick Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2005 Location: Texas of course Posts: 277	For the .357 and .44 mags (depending upon bullet weight used) Alliant Power Pistol can give a spectacular light show. For 30-06, I don't have any idea. BigSlick __________________ Nobody likes war, but if you find yourself in one - fight for those you serve with and to make the trip home. Show mercy to those that deserve it and a relentless, ruthless, cunning evil to those who don't.

June 19, 2005, 04:36 PM	#4
Kamicosmos Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2002 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Posts: 193	Dunno about 3006, but out of a short barrel, just about anything will give a big flash! for .357 and .44 H110 gives a very nice fireball. I call it my Crowd Pleasing Powder. __________________ "Dreams only have meaning because we struggle in the waking world." -- Major Motoko Kusanagi GitS:SAC Member of NRA and Western Missouri Shooters Alliance

June 20, 2005, 02:43 PM	#9
Tim R Senior Member Join Date: November 30, 2004 Location: God's side of Washington State Posts: 1,601	Bluedot will give a nice flash in 357 and it's a great 357 powder to boot. Zeke, I dunno, might be from playing with M-80's as a kid. I know I sure don't like a big flash when I'm shooting a HP match. __________________ God Bless our Troops especially our Snipers.

June 20, 2005, 10:20 AM	#5
knightkrawler00 Senior Member Join Date: May 28, 2004 Location: Prosser WA Posts: 103	Second on the H110, it will throw a good size flame out of my 4" Model 66. You should see it from on of those Scandium J-frames, I hear it was pretty cool, but I was flinching so bad after the first shot that I couldn't keep my eyes open.

June 20, 2005, 12:03 PM	#6
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,379	Muzzle flash isn't just a factor of unburned powder. It's also a factor of incandescence -- the superheated and pressurized gas is actually glowing. If you want flash, Blue Dot is always good for flash.

June 20, 2005, 12:37 PM	#7
Mal H Staff Join Date: March 20, 1999 Location: Somewhere in the woods of Northern Virginia Posts: 16,947	Mike's right. The brightest portion of the fireball is a short-lived plasma of extremely hot ionized gas. Now, if you want a real flash from a 30-06 use a light weight .308 bullet (such as 125 gr.) with 49.0 grains of AA 2230. This is a safe load with a 125 gr. bullet or lighter (don't go heavier) and it gives a huge fireball even out of a 22" rifle. It's got to be even better out of a Contender.

June 20, 2005, 01:16 PM	#8
Zekewolf Senior Member Join Date: April 2, 2005 Posts: 886	I just can't, for the life of me, understand why an adult would desire a lot of muzzle flash.

June 20, 2005, 04:02 PM	#10
Big Yac Senior Member Join Date: April 23, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 422	I hear Win 296 gives a nice flash too...I'm also wondering about Ramshot Enforcer __________________ "...and that's the bottom line, because Big Yac said so."

June 20, 2005, 06:05 PM	#11
Ben Shepherd Senior Member Join Date: August 11, 2001 Location: Utah Posts: 1,462	Blue dot gives the biggest flash I've seen in 357. __________________ From my cold dead hands......... NRA certified rifle, pistol and shotgun instructor. Hunter education instructor

June 20, 2005, 08:33 PM	#12
Archie Senior Member Join Date: May 26, 2000 Location: Hastings, Nebrasksa - the Hear Posts: 2,209	Mal H has it right... Light bullet - slow powder. Many years ago in my mis-spent youth, I loaded up some 'celebration blanks' for New Year's Eve. A small wax plug over 20 grains of 2400. Made a good loud noise and, in the dark, about four feet of orange flame. __________________ There ain't no free lunch, except Jesus. Archie Check out updated journal at http://oldmanmontgomery.wordpress.com/

June 20, 2005, 09:22 PM	#13
Trapp Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2004 Location: KTN Posts: 1,221	Why you ask? Why not!!! __________________ HDR Ban!? It's a shame all of my guns sank with my boat last week... Time to catch up.....like mayonnaise

June 20, 2005, 11:23 PM	#14
Mal H Staff Join Date: March 20, 1999 Location: Somewhere in the woods of Northern Virginia Posts: 16,947	Exactly! Heck, fun with firearms comes in all varieties of activities as long as safety is the first and foremost factor.

June 24, 2005, 05:43 AM	#15
3 weelin geezer Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2004 Posts: 438	I just can't, for the life of me, understand why an adult would desire a lot of muzzle flash. ________________________ What? No you must lack size somewhere else comment? Whats this world coming to???? Well, I really like all the noise the mosin-nagant makes and the fireworks aint bad.

June 24, 2005, 07:40 PM	#16
Ben Shepherd Senior Member Join Date: August 11, 2001 Location: Utah Posts: 1,462	Try a 223 10" contender barrel!!! That is a RIOT(if you just want flash) __________________ From my cold dead hands......... NRA certified rifle, pistol and shotgun instructor. Hunter education instructor

June 24, 2005, 09:45 PM	#17
farmall Senior Member Join Date: December 7, 2004 Location: Beatrice Nebraska Posts: 613	I agree, Bluedot in 357 is very flashy, also in 9mm. IMHO, my 22-250 Striker pocket rifle is unbeatable for flash/blast. Friends tell me about 8 foot fireball when loaded with H380. I know it lights up the night!!

July 4, 2005, 10:09 PM	#18
gschwertley Member Join Date: January 29, 2005 Location: Washington state Posts: 38	Well, for pistol flash my vote is for W-296, and that's why I won't use it anymore. W-296 is very comparable to H-110; some people say these two powders are made in the same factory, the only difference is the label. That's funny; I like Blue Dot and have never thought it flashed like 296, but I know my Blue Dot is old. For lots of flash in rifle cartridges, use just about any ball powder that is compatible with the cartridge and the weight of bullet used. I my limited experience, just about any ball powder in any rifle caliber will give more flash than a comparable extruded, flake, or cut-sheet powder. The reason those Russian rifle rounds flash so much is because they are charged with ball powder.

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