SIG P250 (9mm; full-sized) or equivalent? - Page 2

carguychris · November 23, 2015, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by johnwilliamson062

Modularity is highly over-rated. Who actually uses any of the "modular" systems?

FWIW I think the P250's modularity would be more useful IF the additional modules were more reasonably priced.

But they're not.

TunnelRat · November 23, 2015, 11:24 AM

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FWIW I think the P250's modularity would be more useful IF the additional modules were more reasonably priced.

But they're not

What would you consider reasonably priced? I can find the grip modules for around $50.

carguychris · November 23, 2015, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TunnelRat

What would you consider reasonably priced? I can find the grip modules for around $50.

I was talking about the X-Change kits. For $300+, I'd rather get a whole second gun.

The grip modules ARE less expensive, but I'm still not crazy about the idea of possibly having to pay $50 extra to get a pistol to fit me (excepting the subcompact, which was available in only 1 grip module size the last time I checked). Multiple backstraps are IMHO a more elegant solution.

TunnelRat · November 23, 2015, 01:50 PM

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The grip modules ARE less expensive, but I'm still not crazy about the idea of possibly having to pay $50 extra to get a pistol to fit me (excepting the subcompact, which was available in only 1 grip module size the last time I checked). Multiple backstraps are IMHO a more elegant solution.

I think they're a simpler solution. In my experience the replaceable backstraps don't make as big of a difference as swapping the modules does on the P250/P320.

As for the X-Change kits, I agree that the cost would need to go down more for it to really be of use.

johnwilliamson062 · November 23, 2015, 06:48 PM

Tunnelrat, your talking about easy modifications more than what I would consider "modularity." The back straps, like the different grips, aren't for changing because "today feels like a big grip day', they are for setting the pistol to fit your hand once and leaving it that way.
I am acquainted with a half dozen AR upper receivers. All of them own lowers for every upper they use with any regularity at all.
I am acquainted with several people who own many many Encore or Contender barrels. They all have multiple frames. Enough for all the barrels they actually shoot.

It sounds great. I've bought into it multiple time. There is some more flexibility. Right now I am considering a G17 with a chopped grip. I might be able to get a 320 and set-it up in a similar fashion much more easily. Once it was set-up I would leave it as it is though. With multiple caliber kits I would end up throwing all but one 'in a box somewhere.'

TunnelRat · November 23, 2015, 08:35 PM

I don't really think I even used the word modularity. I used the word module because that's what SIG calls them.

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The back straps, like the different grips, aren't for changing because "today feels like a big grip day', they are for setting the pistol to fit your hand once and leaving it that way.

I don't think I ever said anything that countered this. What I said was that backstraps are simpler than swapping entire modules, but in my experience in terms of feel in the hand swapping the entire module makes a more noticeable impact (the VP9/P30 are an exception to this). I never claimed nor have I personally swapped such a thing on a daily basis. Like you I test and then use the one I like better in both feel and shooting (which aren't always the same, i.e. I like the feel of the Gen 4 Glock without a backstrap but I shoot better with the Medium backstrap installed).

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With multiple caliber kits I would end up throwing all but one 'in a box somewhere.'

Agreed. All I want are kits to go from the different sizes. Given that the Compact slide fits on the Subcompact frame that might be good enough for me.

johnwilliamson062 · November 24, 2015, 03:33 PM

Module, modular, modularity. With the recent pistol redesign request from DOD catch the marketing words of the year, and they all flow together in my mind.

I'm not saying it is all bad. I have a love-hate relationship with my Encore. I looked up my options with a Sig 320 for a long barrel and short grip when I got home from work today. Looks like price would be about the same as my glock options and I would need a new holsters for a G17 length slide anyways. By the end I bet it costs a lot more though.

StumpShooter · November 24, 2015, 03:34 PM

I think a Walther PPX is worth a look. It's affordable (I've seen them under $300 lately), reliable, high capacity, and has a great trigger.

TunnelRat · November 24, 2015, 03:50 PM

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Module, modular, modularity. With the recent pistol redesign request from DOD catch the marketing words of the year, and they all flow together in my mind.

If you have disagreement with the terms SIG uses for its products, feel free to email them.

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I'm not saying it is all bad. I have a love-hate relationship with my Encore. I looked up my options with a Sig 320 for a long barrel and short grip when I got home from work today. Looks like price would be about the same as my glock options and I would need a new holsters for a G17 length slide anyways. By the end I bet it costs a lot more though.

In all honesty, I really don't care what pistols you do or don't buy. I carry a Glock 19/Glock 26. I have no special loyalty to any company.

Tomac · November 26, 2015, 08:35 AM

If you like the SIG P250 and you shoot well w/it, then go w/the P250.
I carried a P250 EDC for a couple of years after I got used to the trigger, it was exceptionally accurate & reliable.
The only reason I switched to the P320 Compact is for faster followup shots.

Btw, the modularity of the P250/P320 allows you to make stippling mistakes that only cost $40 to replace (instead of the entire frame) and hybrid combos impossible w/other handguns (ex: P250 subcompact slide on a bobbed compact grip module, or compact slide on a full size grip module) in addition to the X-Change kits for different calibers.
Tomac

Dirty_Harry · November 26, 2015, 09:53 AM

You said you like the HK, so save a couple hundred and get a P2000. They can be had for $650ish new now. Same perfect do it all size as a Glock 19.

Then again, if you doing that well with the P250, why is this a question?

smee78 · November 26, 2015, 10:13 AM

I perfer the Glock due to the aftermarket support and large options of holsters. I usually "upgrade" my Glocks with a 2.5 trigger connector and an extended slide release and a plug in the bottom of the grip. Thats it, its good to go for me.

David L. Smith · November 26, 2015, 10:23 AM

My humble thanks to everyone for the many great replies & discussion. You have all provided great input - THANK YOU!

Happy Holidays and Good shooting!

TJx · November 26, 2015, 09:39 PM

Whatever you do don't order a PPX online without handling one first. The slide on the thing is enormous to the point of being cartoonish. It makes a Hi Point look svelte. PPX and CCW should never be used in the same sentence.

A S&W M&P 9mm or FNH FNS 9mm should be able to be had this weekend for right around $400.

EvilE · December 1, 2015, 01:11 AM

I say Glock 19 gen4. Comes with all the different back straps to fit almost any individuals hand, and three mags!

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November 26, 2015, 08:35 AM	#35
Tomac Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2001 Location: Caldwell, Idaho Posts: 511	If you like the SIG P250 and you shoot well w/it, then go w/the P250. I carried a P250 EDC for a couple of years after I got used to the trigger, it was exceptionally accurate & reliable. The only reason I switched to the P320 Compact is for faster followup shots. Btw, the modularity of the P250/P320 allows you to make stippling mistakes that only cost $40 to replace (instead of the entire frame) and hybrid combos impossible w/other handguns (ex: P250 subcompact slide on a bobbed compact grip module, or compact slide on a full size grip module) in addition to the X-Change kits for different calibers. Tomac __________________ "His Universe, His rules." - Tomac

November 26, 2015, 09:53 AM	#36
Dirty_Harry Senior Member Join Date: January 11, 2006 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 1,484	You said you like the HK, so save a couple hundred and get a P2000. They can be had for $650ish new now. Same perfect do it all size as a Glock 19. Then again, if you doing that well with the P250, why is this a question? __________________ "The only purpose for a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you never should have laid down." "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them." -John Wayne

November 26, 2015, 10:13 AM	#37
smee78 Senior Member Join Date: July 14, 2008 Location: South Carolina Posts: 2,918	I perfer the Glock due to the aftermarket support and large options of holsters. I usually "upgrade" my Glocks with a 2.5 trigger connector and an extended slide release and a plug in the bottom of the grip. Thats it, its good to go for me. __________________ We know exactly where one cow with Mad-cow-disease is located, among the millions and millions of cows in America, but we haven't got a clue where thousands of illegal immigrants and terrorists are

November 26, 2015, 10:23 AM	#38
David L. Smith Junior Member Join Date: June 26, 2015 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 14	Great replies & Discussion! My humble thanks to everyone for the many great replies & discussion. You have all provided great input - THANK YOU! Happy Holidays and Good shooting! __________________ the BEST security comes from God first

November 23, 2015, 06:48 PM	#30
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	Tunnelrat, your talking about easy modifications more than what I would consider "modularity." The back straps, like the different grips, aren't for changing because "today feels like a big grip day', they are for setting the pistol to fit your hand once and leaving it that way. I am acquainted with a half dozen AR upper receivers. All of them own lowers for every upper they use with any regularity at all. I am acquainted with several people who own many many Encore or Contender barrels. They all have multiple frames. Enough for all the barrels they actually shoot. It sounds great. I've bought into it multiple time. There is some more flexibility. Right now I am considering a G17 with a chopped grip. I might be able to get a 320 and set-it up in a similar fashion much more easily. Once it was set-up I would leave it as it is though. With multiple caliber kits I would end up throwing all but one 'in a box somewhere.'

November 24, 2015, 03:33 PM	#32
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	Module, modular, modularity. With the recent pistol redesign request from DOD catch the marketing words of the year, and they all flow together in my mind. I'm not saying it is all bad. I have a love-hate relationship with my Encore. I looked up my options with a Sig 320 for a long barrel and short grip when I got home from work today. Looks like price would be about the same as my glock options and I would need a new holsters for a G17 length slide anyways. By the end I bet it costs a lot more though.

November 24, 2015, 03:34 PM	#33
StumpShooter Member Join Date: January 2, 2015 Posts: 44	I think a Walther PPX is worth a look. It's affordable (I've seen them under $300 lately), reliable, high capacity, and has a great trigger.

November 26, 2015, 09:39 PM	#39
TJx Member Join Date: November 25, 2011 Location: Northern KY Posts: 47	Whatever you do don't order a PPX online without handling one first. The slide on the thing is enormous to the point of being cartoonish. It makes a Hi Point look svelte. PPX and CCW should never be used in the same sentence. A S&W M&P 9mm or FNH FNS 9mm should be able to be had this weekend for right around $400.

December 1, 2015, 01:11 AM	#40
EvilE Member Join Date: June 13, 2014 Location: Sonoran desert Posts: 93	I say Glock 19 gen4. Comes with all the different back straps to fit almost any individuals hand, and three mags! __________________ CRIMINALS PREFER UNARMED VICTIMS!

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