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October 4, 2013, 08:02 PM | #226 | |
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Private property owners should be allowed to post their properties as off-limits to firearms. HOWEVER, any facility, gov't or private, which prohibits the carrying of weapons should be required to have an adequate number of secured lockers at EACH ENTRANCE where visitors can secure their weapons while inside. ALSO, private facilities should, by statute, be strictly liable for any injury to a patron which could conceivably have been prevented had the patron been armed.
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February 18, 2014, 09:57 AM | #227 | |
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I realize that this thread is a little old, but it seems to have been our most active one related to CC developments in Illinois of late.
Aaaaannnyway, I ran across this in a link posted by Tom Servo: SB2669 Quote:
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February 18, 2014, 07:07 PM | #228 |
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You need a sign that says you can carry? No sign, or a sign that says you can’t carry, and you can’t? Is it just me, or is everyone else confused? Exactly where can you carry? Your home and your car, and that’s it? Looks like it's back to the Court Room to solve this one.
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February 18, 2014, 07:52 PM | #229 |
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Can you say "Mens Rea? What's that?"
Sigh.
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February 18, 2014, 11:54 PM | #230 |
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It has no chance of passing, or even getting a vote. The NRA lobbyist for Illinois (Todd Vandermyde) is not even bothering fighting it. Just Sen. Don Harmon (D-People's Republic of Oak Park) throwing red meat to his anti-gun constituents.
But if you have a strong stomach, and nothing fragile and valuable nearby, read this... http://www.oakpark.com/News/Articles...gn%3F-No-guns/ |
February 19, 2014, 03:35 AM | #231 |
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I can say "Men's restroom" in Spanish.
This flies in the face of every other state law which allows businesses to opt out but this law would require that they opt in. So in the absence of a sign, CCW holders are persona non grata. What is the penalty for getting caught up in this stupid law? Enough to lose your CCW and possibly your firearms rights as well?
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February 19, 2014, 05:31 AM | #232 |
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They actually tried to amend the original law (our governor, "Duh" Quinn, at least did) to read this way. It was struck down in the override.
Yeah, they just don't get it. But in two months, folks will be walking around Illinois with guns, and it's going to make them insane. Larry
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February 20, 2014, 08:32 PM | #233 | |
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According to Harmon (per the article linked to by Armed_Chicagoan):
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February 20, 2014, 09:07 PM | #234 |
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I would bet anything that 95% of Dart's objections are overruled by the review board. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he is objecting to people with the same name as prohibited persons, or people who have been arrested but not convicted of crimes.
I submitted my concealed carry application last week, maybe Dart will object on the basis of the speed camera warning I got a few weeks ago. |
February 21, 2014, 02:02 PM | #235 |
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300 out of 9,500 is not beyond the pale.
300/9500=.031 or 3.1%. As noted, some of those are going to be found to be same name or no conviction so will be approved upon further investigation/appeal.
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February 21, 2014, 04:45 PM | #237 | |
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I can give an initial approval based on the completion of the forms, accuracy, and the content of the forms such as denial of priors. That is but a single step in the process. Where the denial happens is in the next step which would be the background check. Jus' sayin'.
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February 21, 2014, 09:23 PM | #238 |
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"I can assume that the initial approval was before the results of the background checks came back denying the approval."
All applicants for an FCCL in Illinois must have a valid FOID card. FOID card holders in Illinois are given a background check every single day, and the card is revoked if anything is found making one ineligible. And the requirements for a FOID card are very similar to those required for a FCCL, it's extremely unlikely that Dart has found so many people who have slipped through the cracks. |
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February 22, 2014, 02:10 AM | #240 |
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Actually the steps are "Under Review" > "Approved or Denied".
If a local law enforcement agency objects it's "Under Review" > "Under Board Review" > "Approved or Denied". Many applications have already been approved, believe it or not the only reason the licenses haven't been sent out yet is that they did not like the card stock they received to print them on and the Illinois State Police employees don't know how to use the printer yet... you can't make this stuff up! Supposedly first ones will be mailed the first week of March. |
February 24, 2014, 01:57 PM | #241 |
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Ha, sounds about right. If you actually go down there where I had to go to get my FOID, you would understand.
No offense to those in law enforcement, but it is a government facility and is a bit of a disaster zone with high tech items (new printer I guess) and still amounts of paperwork still hand written down. Unbelievable. But to their credit, I needed an address change with my FOID last month and a new card appeared very fast. Like 3-4 weeks. I was impressed. I have not taken extra courses yet for my concealed carry, but my brother and I will soon. What were the requirements again and can you use any prior courses (like to get the FOID card) as part of you training hours? |
February 24, 2014, 05:56 PM | #242 |
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Bitttorrent, you should be able to find all the needed info here.
https://ccl4illinois.com/ccw/public/home.aspx |
February 26, 2014, 11:47 PM | #243 |
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Right, it's all there.
There is a page that lists what prior courses you have taken. Looks like I can use 8hrs from NRA course I took, so just need 8hr course. thanks. |
March 1, 2014, 03:06 PM | #244 |
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And Illinois gun owners are reporting their long-awaited concealed carry permits hit their mail boxes today!
I think I have a month at least before I get mine, I applied 5 weeks after the first applicants did. |
March 14, 2014, 10:53 PM | #245 |
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It warms my heart to know that Shall Issue CCW is a fact in Illinois!
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March 17, 2014, 06:13 AM | #246 |
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All along, for the 10+ years I've lived in IL, I've carried a handgun unloaded and in a case in my vehicles. Thats a 6" 629-1, and a speed loader, its really not that much slower. Plus I have an AR and 300 rounds in the trunk. All legal in IL. Edit: Yes, the console was ruled by the courts to be the same as a case.
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I have my IL carry gun in my center console as well only your gun is bigger and car faster. Mine is a Mercedes though so I got that going for me.
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March 17, 2014, 01:39 PM | #248 |
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And we already have the first documented DGU by a concealed carry licensee in Chicago just 1 month after the first licenses hit mailboxes:
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April 5, 2014, 07:56 PM | #250 |
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Outstanding!
Never thought I'd live long enough to read about a concealed carry license holder shooting at bad guys in the Chicago paper.
Still not sorry I left there, but it sounds like the situation is better than it was. The FOID was a pain in the neck but it was the law and I'd never lived anywhere else so I thought it was normal. |
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