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February 9, 2009, 01:32 AM | #1 |
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Automatic weapon
In a HD situation would chose an automatic weapon or not?
Assumption: cost and law are not factors to be considered. Setting is urban but not densily populated. Please discuss your reasoning. |
February 9, 2009, 01:55 AM | #2 |
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I would probably stick with a regular shotgun. At close range it's tough to beat.
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February 9, 2009, 02:12 AM | #3 |
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February 9, 2009, 02:14 AM | #4 |
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I would never choose a full automatic for anything.
Shoots too much and ammo isnt cheap by any means. Not to mention with a full auto going off in the middle of the night, you'll wake up much more than just the neighbors. |
February 9, 2009, 02:17 AM | #5 |
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February 9, 2009, 02:21 AM | #6 |
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That thing is pretty dang nice!
Huge and bulky, but won't have a bad guy/intruder think twice about running. |
February 9, 2009, 04:37 AM | #7 |
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I would still take a shotgun over a submachine gun.
A subgun would be fun though. |
February 9, 2009, 05:09 AM | #8 |
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Full auto for SD, a prosecutor would eat you alive! I had several full autos years back. Boring.
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February 9, 2009, 08:02 AM | #9 |
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No.
If I can't get it done with a shotgun, a rattle gun wouldn't help any. lpl |
February 9, 2009, 08:42 AM | #10 |
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No.
I dislike full-auto in general. It wastes ammo and usually makes for sloppy marksmanship. (Some) People start to expect the gun to do the work and don't do their part. |
February 9, 2009, 09:38 AM | #11 | |
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Quote:
Mas Ayoob wrote a story about a guy who used one to defend himself (I think we worked for H&K) and he had some trouble for it but can't remember it fully.
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February 9, 2009, 10:14 AM | #12 |
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The guy used an automatic HK rifle. The DA wanted to come down on him but HK lawyered him up good and he beat the charges.
I wouldn't hesitate to use an automatic rifle for home defense. Police use automatic rifles for defense, why can't citizens? |
February 9, 2009, 11:29 AM | #13 |
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I'm pretty sure that guy worked for FN-USA, and they dropped him like a rock as soon as trouble started. He was involved in a road-rage incident where some brainless weirdos chased him and shot at him. He pulled into an FN plant, got out an AC556 (full-auto mini-14) that he had in his truck for some work-related purpose, fired a warning burst into the pavement, and told them nicely to stop. One of the weirdos decided to continue the attack while screaming the tremendously stupid last words "F%&^ you and your fancy machinegun!". Mr. Ayoob and some others stood behind him in the horrendous legal adventure that followed, and he eventually came out on top.
That's what happened in the US, though. Other parts of the world are more MG-SD tolerant.
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February 9, 2009, 12:00 PM | #14 |
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No, he worked for H&K.
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February 9, 2009, 12:24 PM | #15 |
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Nope. It would be real easy to get too much lead flying around. Can't think of a plausible situation where that would be desirable.
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February 9, 2009, 12:31 PM | #16 |
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as a primary HD I'd stick to a 12gauge but under the right circumstances I would not be opposed to keeping an smg close at hand.
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February 9, 2009, 12:33 PM | #17 |
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So majority here thinks automatic is not preferred, however, i cant imagine not using MP5 SD.
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February 9, 2009, 12:43 PM | #18 |
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Oh, yeah. I'd keep the first mag filled with blanks, and let off the whole thing at the first hint of an intruder -- I've heard that this works even better than racking a shotgun to scare the pants off a BG...
Seriously, no way. What Grymster said: "It would be real easy to get too much lead flying around." That, and hard to explain to the judge. The shotgun seems perfectly adequate. |
February 9, 2009, 12:48 PM | #19 |
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Its been my experience in 40 years of firearms instruction, to the military, police and civilians. I've learned that most, including military and LEOs cant hit poop with a full auto.
I have demostrations of this several times. Example: I had 4 guns in a SF unit, fire 20 shots each at a E sil. target at 100 yards full auto. I fired 20 rounds at my target, same range, in a 1 min time period. I averages more hits then the 4 other shooters. Another exampe: I was running a sniper school when an army MG crew wanted to use part of my range to qualify the MG Team. After words I let them pick any two of my students and their two best MGers. We fired fom 400 to 1100 meters, again in one minute, my sniper students registered more hits then the MGers. This is just two examples. Autos have their place, its called fire superioity, needed on the battle field, but not needed in your bedroom against a home invader, or in your car during a car jacking. You're openning youself up to all kind of problems because you have to account for all those rounds flying all over the place.
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February 9, 2009, 01:12 PM | #20 |
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With the exception of close ambush an individual doesn't need full auto. After about three shots you're just hosing the trees...which is why we put the three round trigger group in the M16A2. For HD I'll stick with a shotgun, handgun, and AR-15 carbine...with lasers & lights of course...
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February 9, 2009, 01:43 PM | #21 |
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Full automatic fire is not meant for ranges beyond 50y. Trying to put someone in their place by having them run automatic at 100y and beyond doesn't impress me one bit.
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February 9, 2009, 01:51 PM | #22 |
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I would if the laws and prices were prohibative.
A good 5 round burst from a subgun is scarier than the pump of a shotgun any day. |
February 9, 2009, 03:02 PM | #23 |
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9 pellets all at once out of a 12ga. pump should give the BG something to think about on his way to the deck.
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February 9, 2009, 03:47 PM | #25 |
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in our current state of Living a Full auto would be useless for HD imo. first of all spray and pray could technically put 30 rounds into a BG, which most DAs and judges would look at as murder. now if we had a complete meltdown of government and became a true 3rd world country with roaming bands of Gangs Mad Max Style, i feel the only adequete SD gun would bea dillon Mini gun. but since thats not likely to happen anytime soon.....
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