August 30, 2007, 05:47 PM | #1 |
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Dragon Skin
Is Tactical dragon skin available to the public and what price if so.
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August 30, 2007, 07:24 PM | #2 |
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Not sure, ive been looking for a while, ever since i saw a show about on t.v. That stuff took a beating and not a single round or grenade shrapnel penetrated it.
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August 30, 2007, 08:10 PM | #3 |
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That was insane 40rds of 7.62x39 and 100rds of 9mm. If I were a cop or military I would definitely want that.
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here a link with good info on it:
http://www.military.com/soldiertech/...agon3,,00.html It is made by Pinnacle Armor and their website has order forms, no prices and i believe it isn't available to the general public yet. |
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It has been withdrawn from the NIJ for not meeting NIJ standards for what it was supposed to be rated. Disks slipped out of position (bad adhesive) and disks failed. That is why the military rejected it.
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Actually, there've been some problems reported with Dragon Skin failing certain ballistics tests. It's also said to be excessively heavy. I don't have the links handy, but if you do a search on 10-8 Forums there's some discussion of it.
I consider it a good thing that such armor isn't yet ready for prime time, since the moment the police and military have it and ordinary citizens can't get it, the Second Amendment will be largely moot. We're heading rapidly in that direction, though most gun owners sadly think the Second Amendment is only about hunting, target shooting, and defense against common criminals.
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Thank you Eghad for nabbing the specifics.
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August 31, 2007, 05:26 PM | #9 |
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Here is the link for Dragon Skin info. http://www.pinnaclearmor.com/body-armor/dragon-skin.php
I have read the Army's statements regarding Dragon skin and find it interesting that the Army rejects it while in passed the Navy's tests and the Marine Corps is re-evaluating it. I really would like for it to be as good as pinnacle says it is. I would buy some for my son (USMC) immediately, even if it does cost as much as a used car. A threat level 4 full wraparound vest is around $6,000.00
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I am sure any product has problems. We all know that from the forums. I think the Dragon skin Ruckus is significant because it means that there will be more tests to ensure that our folks on the front lines have the best.
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I thought i read, that they were also looking into a liquid or gel type material that hardened upon the bullets impact...or something along that line did anyone hear or have more info on a product of that nature?
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I have seen some sort of foam-like 'hard' plates for body armor. I know I still have the magazine with that evaluation in it around here someplace. Oh darn! Now I'll have to read firearms related publications until I find the right one.
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here is a very interesting dateline clip looking into the rejection of dragon skin
http://www.videosift.com/video/Datel...y-Armor-Report also this is a brief article on "liquid armor" google it for more info http://www.military.com/NewsContent/...042104.00.html |
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I would take anything on the news with a very large grain of salt.
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Right. So the Army rejected it and the Marines are re-evaluating it which means it did not do well the first time through for them either. So out of three branches of the military, the vest was not accepted the first time through in 2/3 of them. That sounds significant to me.
The concept sounds like a very good one. The problem is that the armor simply isn't holding together properly. It sounds like something they could work out with a bit more R&D. I was bothered by Pinnacle's response that the Army didn't know how to test their vest. Geez, you gotta hate folks that raise the bar and demand performance. Quote:
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I think you may be mistaken on the 1911. It was not rejected for further development. It was selected after an extensive review process where it was found superior to its competitors. There were changes/additions made after the selection and before the gun went into production, but no rejection.
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Another thing with the Dragon is that it is difficult to inspect for damage. The plates and vests of the current armor system are easy to check for damage and replace if needed. How are you going to check every disk in the DS armor without an X-ray machine?
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The fact that the disc have a 'lay' to them may change the resistance as a function of impact angle.
While I have not reviewed allthe test protocols lately, shooting at only perpendicular to a design with a lay may not be very indicative of the total perfromence. Unless we have a to restrict angle of incidence relative to the equipment you are wearing. |
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