Double Action .22

Tinbucket · November 1, 2015, 09:08 PM

Does anyone make a good double action .22, or .22 magnum, maybe a 9 0r 10 shot.
And does anyone make a cartridge holder, brain dead, for proper term, right now, that holds the .22s so you can simply insert the rounds into cylinder twist and they release, into the cylinder like the ones for my .357s?

pete2 · November 1, 2015, 09:27 PM

Smith & Wesson makes the model 17, 10 shot, I think speed loaders are available. Check their website for the revolver, try Midway for the speed loader or maybe Dillon.

AzShooter · November 1, 2015, 09:47 PM

I have the 617 with a 6 inch barrel. It's a great gun. Lots of different speed loaders for it. I have about 10 and use them when I go shoot at the range.

Load all my speed loader and then just sit there and shoot for my 15 minutes until they take a break. I get off about 5 loaders per session.

Onward Allusion · November 1, 2015, 09:57 PM

10-Shot S&W 617 will run you between $700 to $900 new. 9-Shot Taurus 94 will set you back $300 to $400. If all you want is a knock around 9-Shot plinker, you may want to look at the old H&R 929's. All of 'em have speedloaders available.

salvadore · November 2, 2015, 12:03 PM

I have a 25 year old model 17 that I bought new, it was a primo shooter then and after a gazillion rounds it is still primo. I also own a 5 year old 617, it's not quite as primo, but is not bad and is a ten rounder you are looking for.

carguychris · November 2, 2015, 12:26 PM

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If all you want is a knock around 9-Shot plinker, you may want to look at the old H&R 929's.

On that topic, H&R sold a large variety of DA 9-shot revolver models. Their top-of-the-line and perhaps best-known model was the 999 Sportsman, and another interesting one is the 949, which is dolled up to look like a single-action complete with a functional RH-side loading gate and ejector rod, but the trigger is double-action like most of the others.

Another possibility is the High Standard Sentinel, which seemed to enjoy a good reputation back in the day, although I'll admit that all of the ones I've seen recently have been beat to heck. For some obscure reason, H&R's seem much easier to find in nice condition, but this may just be a fluke based on a very small sample size.

aarondhgraham · November 2, 2015, 04:30 PM

Rossi R-98 Plinker,,,

It's an 8-shot revolver,,,
And comes in 4" or 6" models.

I've fired one before and it's a nice enough revolver,,,
Nothing to get incredibly excited about,,,
But it fits in the OPs budget.

Just another option.

Aarond

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pete2 · November 2, 2015, 05:50 PM

Note that Taurus is a 50/50 deal, it may or may not work. I don't know about the Rossi now that Taurus owns them.

tallball · November 2, 2015, 08:03 PM

I believe that Taurus is known for large-scale military and police orders. If so, it seems unlikely that they have a 50% failure rate.

I have had one defective Taurus revolver out of the 10-12 I have owned. That being said, my Model 94 has never malfunctioned in the 15 or so years I've had it, but the trigger is stiff and bad.

If you can find one of the H&R or NEF (same company) higher-end models with adjustable sights, you should have a pretty good revolver for pretty cheap.

I do not love my Charter Arms revolvers, but they go bang every time and I think they have some sort of target model with decent sights and barrel length.

I have heard good things about the old High Standard revolvers. There is one out there I really wish I had bid on. Sears also sold them, labelled as JC Higgins.

johnwilliamson062 · November 2, 2015, 08:11 PM

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I believe that Taurus is known for large-scale military and police orders.

Large scale contracts in Latin America with socialist countries that have steep protective tariffs if suppliers aren't part of something like LAFTA. They don't do much business elsewhere.

Targa · November 2, 2015, 08:20 PM

I love my 4" Plinker, not a single complaint. Good luck finding one though, either people love them or there is so little demand for them that they are limited production.

**4V50 Gary** · November 2, 2015, 08:24 PM

Go S&W. Interior has better lockwork.

JN01 · November 2, 2015, 08:30 PM

Ruger makes the 8 shot LCR and SP101.

mxsailor803 · November 3, 2015, 01:03 AM

I've got a 6" Smith 617 and love it. Its also a 10 shot. I found a speed loader setup from a company call SpeedBeez. It uses a loading bload to hold the rounds and you only need 1 speed loader. To go from a empty speed loader to a ready to go loader takes 2-3 seconds.

**Aguila Blanca** · November 3, 2015, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by tallball

I believe that Taurus is known for large-scale military and police orders. If so, it seems unlikely that they have a 50% failure rate.

Taurus has such a horrible reputation that a small gun shop near me not only won't stock them, they also won't order them on request, because they don't want to deal with the almost inevitable problems and complaints.

A few years ago I bought a Taurus Model 94 for use as a class gun when teaching NRA Basic Pistol. I was lucky -- mine worked out of the box, but the trigger pull was atrocious. Single action pull weight was up where most double actions are, and the double action pull was (IIRC) 18 pounds, and gritty. I installed a Wolff spring kit and got the DA pull down to about 13 or 14 pounds and the SA down to about 6 pounds. Still ugly, but tolerable for the intended purpose.

Then I bought another Taurus revolver, built on the same small frame size as the Model 94. That one also had a terrible trigger, but it also wouldn't fire more than one shot without locking up. I worked on it, with no improvement. The gunsmith at the range shop worked on it, and he couldn't fix it. Then I worked on it some more and I think I finally got it working, but I could never trust it for carry.

A 50/50 failure rate out of the box is probably about right for Taurus revolvers. If I had it to do over, I should have spent a few dollars more and bought a Charter Arms for the pistol classes.

carguychris · November 3, 2015, 11:24 AM

Also, regarding the large-scale military/LE order thing, keep in mind that those organizations aren't buying Taurus 94's and Rossi Plinksters.

Speaking with an older LGS manager, he said that he basically separates Taureses into two tiers: (a) the PT-92 and PT-58, and (b) everything else. He regards the first two as rock-solid but everything else they make as junk. The store does not carry Taurus products because he doesn't want to deal with the junky ones.

Salmoneye · November 3, 2015, 12:16 PM

Have had a Taurus 94SS4 for 20+ years...

Is it a K22?

No...

Does it go bang every time I pull the trigger, and does the bullet go where I aim?

Yup...

salvadore · November 3, 2015, 10:41 PM

Geesh Salmaneye, I wasn't making a suppository remarks about TaurisFAs, I've owned a couple and still have one and wish I still had the other.

Salmoneye · November 4, 2015, 07:06 AM

No worries, Salvadore...

I was just answering the OP's question...

Nothing aimed at you...Or anyone else...

I know Taurus gets a lot of bashing, and maybe rightly so...I just may be one of the lucky ones, but I can't complain about mine...

**44 AMP** · November 4, 2015, 11:01 AM

I have a S&W M17-6, the older 6 shot version, 6" barrel full underlug, same overall weight as a 6" N frame, with a pretty similar balance. Great gun.

The down side, not even remotely cheap. $750 a few years back when I got it, making it the most expensive DA revolver I ever bought. (my N frames cost LESS when I bought them!) Hve been told the grips alone on that one are worth $150.

Don't think you will find the same today for much less than $900ish. Good Luck!

Current S&W DA .22 are ok, but I personally dislike the aluminum cylinders. No real reason, just the way they look, and wear. Have steel, like steel, and will pay for steel. Just the way I am, and I'm only buying the gun, ONCE.

aarondhgraham · November 4, 2015, 12:11 PM

Alfa Proj revolvers imported by Czech Point.

I have never had one in my hands,,,
But one gentleman over at rimfire central likes his.

Again,,,
Just another option to look at.

Aarond

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carguychris · November 5, 2015, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 44 AMP

Current S&W DA .22 are ok, but I personally dislike the aluminum cylinders. No real reason, just the way they look, and wear.

44, I think it's worth explaining that only the current-production M43C and M317 and the discontinued M43 and (IIRC) a few M617's sold in the mid 1990s have aluminum cylinders.

The current M63 and M617 and most other discontinued S&W .22LR models (M17, M18, M34, M35, etc.) have steel cylinders.

I'm certain you know this, it's just that your post as written implies that all current S&W .22's have aluminum cylinders, which is incorrect.

As a footnote, I agree with you about the wear characteristics of the aluminum.

I've seen a couple of beater M317's, and for some reason the cylinder finish seems to wear off more rapidly than the frame finish. I'd also recommend against the M43C and M317 to anyone except an expert shooter, because the combination of an unusually stiff DA trigger and featherlike weight makes them exceedingly difficult to shoot well in DA.

**44 AMP** · November 5, 2015, 09:53 PM

Thanks for the heads up Chris, I didn't mean to imply that all S&Ws have the aluminum cylinders, indeed, I don't know which ones do, or don't.

I do recall prowling the gun shows for a few years, looking for a good DA 22, and while I saw some good kit guns, that just wasn't quite what I was looking for. And I also remember that EVERY ratty looking S&W I saw had the aluminum cylinder. TO be sure, the ones in good shape were in good shape, but when a little worn, the finish on the AL cylinders looked bad to me.

DA .22s come in two general flavors, and the higher end guns are a true niche market. They cost a bunch, seemingly all out of proportion, until you realize that they cost as much to make and take as many manhours as the bigbore versions, and they sell a lot fewer of them.

We are spoiled by the inexpensive .22 rifles, fooled into thinking .22 revolvers ought to be. But DA's like the S&W are the equivalent of high end CF rifles, and so cost accordingly.

jstert · November 5, 2015, 11:06 PM

the market really needs a reasonably priced, reliable d.a. 22lr kit gun. the expensive s&w 317's alloy cylinder sticks after 100 rounds at the range. cheaper charter arms are not easy to find. the d.a. trigger pull of the taurus is truly awful, making it effectively a s.a. piece. ruger would clean up with a 3" lcr-x in 22lr.

Seven High · November 6, 2015, 07:57 AM

I am a fan of the Ruger SP101 in 22lr. It is a reasonably priced da revolver in stainless steel. The action can be stiff, but will smooth out over time. Wolff sells spring kits for them if it's necessary. Dry firing it helps a lot.

November 1, 2015, 09:08 PM	#1
Tinbucket Senior Member Join Date: January 17, 2015 Posts: 355	Double Action .22 Does anyone make a good double action .22, or .22 magnum, maybe a 9 0r 10 shot. And does anyone make a cartridge holder, brain dead, for proper term, right now, that holds the .22s so you can simply insert the rounds into cylinder twist and they release, into the cylinder like the ones for my .357s?

November 1, 2015, 09:57 PM	#4
Onward Allusion Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2009 Location: Back in a Non-Free State Posts: 3,133	10-Shot S&W 617 will run you between $700 to $900 new. 9-Shot Taurus 94 will set you back $300 to $400. If all you want is a knock around 9-Shot plinker, you may want to look at the old H&R 929's. All of 'em have speedloaders available. __________________ Simple as ABC . . . Always Be Carrying

November 2, 2015, 04:30 PM	#7
aarondhgraham Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2009 Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma Posts: 8,638	Here's another one,,, Rossi R-98 Plinker,,, It's an 8-shot revolver,,, And comes in 4" or 6" models. I've fired one before and it's a nice enough revolver,,, Nothing to get incredibly excited about,,, But it fits in the OPs budget. Just another option. Aarond . __________________ Never ever give an enemy the advantage of a verbal threat. Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once. Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it? Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time)

November 2, 2015, 08:24 PM	#12
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,840	Go S&W. Interior has better lockwork. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

November 3, 2015, 11:24 AM	#16
carguychris Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2007 Location: Richardson, TX Posts: 7,523	Taurus... Also, regarding the large-scale military/LE order thing, keep in mind that those organizations aren't buying Taurus 94's and Rossi Plinksters. Speaking with an older LGS manager, he said that he basically separates Taureses into two tiers: (a) the PT-92 and PT-58, and (b) everything else. He regards the first two as rock-solid but everything else they make as junk. The store does not carry Taurus products because he doesn't want to deal with the junky ones. __________________ "Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules... MARK IT ZERO!!" - Walter Sobchak

November 1, 2015, 09:27 PM	#2
pete2 Senior Member Join Date: May 15, 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 2,566	Smith & Wesson makes the model 17, 10 shot, I think speed loaders are available. Check their website for the revolver, try Midway for the speed loader or maybe Dillon.

November 1, 2015, 09:47 PM	#3
AzShooter Senior Member Join Date: June 20, 2006 Location: Surprise, Az. Posts: 766	I have the 617 with a 6 inch barrel. It's a great gun. Lots of different speed loaders for it. I have about 10 and use them when I go shoot at the range. Load all my speed loader and then just sit there and shoot for my 15 minutes until they take a break. I get off about 5 loaders per session.

November 2, 2015, 12:03 PM	#5
salvadore Junior member Join Date: January 1, 2007 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,282	I have a 25 year old model 17 that I bought new, it was a primo shooter then and after a gazillion rounds it is still primo. I also own a 5 year old 617, it's not quite as primo, but is not bad and is a ten rounder you are looking for.

November 2, 2015, 05:50 PM	#8
pete2 Senior Member Join Date: May 15, 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 2,566	Note that Taurus is a 50/50 deal, it may or may not work. I don't know about the Rossi now that Taurus owns them.

November 2, 2015, 08:03 PM	#9
tallball Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2014 Posts: 2,444	I believe that Taurus is known for large-scale military and police orders. If so, it seems unlikely that they have a 50% failure rate. I have had one defective Taurus revolver out of the 10-12 I have owned. That being said, my Model 94 has never malfunctioned in the 15 or so years I've had it, but the trigger is stiff and bad. If you can find one of the H&R or NEF (same company) higher-end models with adjustable sights, you should have a pretty good revolver for pretty cheap. I do not love my Charter Arms revolvers, but they go bang every time and I think they have some sort of target model with decent sights and barrel length. I have heard good things about the old High Standard revolvers. There is one out there I really wish I had bid on. Sears also sold them, labelled as JC Higgins.

November 2, 2015, 08:20 PM	#11
Targa Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2014 Posts: 2,084	I love my 4" Plinker, not a single complaint. Good luck finding one though, either people love them or there is so little demand for them that they are limited production.

November 2, 2015, 08:30 PM	#13
JN01 Senior Member Join Date: May 16, 2005 Location: E Tennessee Posts: 828	Ruger makes the 8 shot LCR and SP101.

November 3, 2015, 01:03 AM	#14
mxsailor803 Senior Member Join Date: February 8, 2010 Location: SC Posts: 1,344	I've got a 6" Smith 617 and love it. Its also a 10 shot. I found a speed loader setup from a company call SpeedBeez. It uses a loading bload to hold the rounds and you only need 1 speed loader. To go from a empty speed loader to a ready to go loader takes 2-3 seconds.

November 3, 2015, 12:16 PM	#17
Salmoneye Senior Member Join Date: December 31, 2011 Location: Vermont Posts: 2,076	Have had a Taurus 94SS4 for 20+ years... Is it a K22? No... Does it go bang every time I pull the trigger, and does the bullet go where I aim? Yup...

November 3, 2015, 10:41 PM	#18
salvadore Junior member Join Date: January 1, 2007 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,282	Geesh Salmaneye, I wasn't making a suppository remarks about TaurisFAs, I've owned a couple and still have one and wish I still had the other.

November 4, 2015, 07:06 AM	#19
Salmoneye Senior Member Join Date: December 31, 2011 Location: Vermont Posts: 2,076	No worries, Salvadore... I was just answering the OP's question... Nothing aimed at you...Or anyone else... I know Taurus gets a lot of bashing, and maybe rightly so...I just may be one of the lucky ones, but I can't complain about mine...

November 4, 2015, 11:01 AM	#20
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,839	I have a S&W M17-6, the older 6 shot version, 6" barrel full underlug, same overall weight as a 6" N frame, with a pretty similar balance. Great gun. The down side, not even remotely cheap. $750 a few years back when I got it, making it the most expensive DA revolver I ever bought. (my N frames cost LESS when I bought them!) Hve been told the grips alone on that one are worth $150. Don't think you will find the same today for much less than $900ish. Good Luck! Current S&W DA .22 are ok, but I personally dislike the aluminum cylinders. No real reason, just the way they look, and wear. Have steel, like steel, and will pay for steel. Just the way I am, and I'm only buying the gun, ONCE. __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

November 4, 2015, 12:11 PM	#21
aarondhgraham Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2009 Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma Posts: 8,638	Here is another under-$300 revolver to consider. Alfa Proj revolvers imported by Czech Point. I have never had one in my hands,,, But one gentleman over at rimfire central likes his. Again,,, Just another option to look at. Aarond . __________________ Never ever give an enemy the advantage of a verbal threat. Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once. Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it? Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time) Last edited by aarondhgraham; November 5, 2015 at 09:19 AM.

November 5, 2015, 09:53 PM	#23
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,839	Thanks for the heads up Chris, I didn't mean to imply that all S&Ws have the aluminum cylinders, indeed, I don't know which ones do, or don't. I do recall prowling the gun shows for a few years, looking for a good DA 22, and while I saw some good kit guns, that just wasn't quite what I was looking for. And I also remember that EVERY ratty looking S&W I saw had the aluminum cylinder. TO be sure, the ones in good shape were in good shape, but when a little worn, the finish on the AL cylinders looked bad to me. DA .22s come in two general flavors, and the higher end guns are a true niche market. They cost a bunch, seemingly all out of proportion, until you realize that they cost as much to make and take as many manhours as the bigbore versions, and they sell a lot fewer of them. We are spoiled by the inexpensive .22 rifles, fooled into thinking .22 revolvers ought to be. But DA's like the S&W are the equivalent of high end CF rifles, and so cost accordingly. __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

November 5, 2015, 11:06 PM	#24
jstert Senior Member Join Date: March 7, 2013 Posts: 205	the market really needs a reasonably priced, reliable d.a. 22lr kit gun. the expensive s&w 317's alloy cylinder sticks after 100 rounds at the range. cheaper charter arms are not easy to find. the d.a. trigger pull of the taurus is truly awful, making it effectively a s.a. piece. ruger would clean up with a 3" lcr-x in 22lr.

November 6, 2015, 07:57 AM	#25
Seven High Senior Member Join Date: December 11, 2004 Posts: 650	I am a fan of the Ruger SP101 in 22lr. It is a reasonably priced da revolver in stainless steel. The action can be stiff, but will smooth out over time. Wolff sells spring kits for them if it's necessary. Dry firing it helps a lot.