Color My Face Red!

Al Norris · September 28, 2011, 07:11 PM

Earlier today, when I was home for lunch, I was attempting to edit the Current 2A Cases thread, by adding a new page to the list of cases, when I clicked on the wrong controls and ZAP! I had just hard deleted the entire thread.

Nobodies fault but mine. Complacency, thy name is Al.

I have an email to our sysadmin and I hope he can retrieve it before the system does its nightly cleanup. Otherwise, all the posts are lost.... Except for the first page. I had that opened. That tab is still open. So I still have all the current cases and links available to rebuild from scratch. (whew!) At least I have that much!

I apologize to everyone who has come to use it as a reference point.

jgcoastie · September 28, 2011, 07:30 PM

Al, we're all human. Thanks for being open about it.

We've all had a few of those moments, no worries. Worst case scenario, we can all pitch in with a little research assistance.

Maybe a new thread (with a copy/paste from page 1 of the old thread) and some of us can volunteer to look into one case each and post timelines/updates.

BGutzman · September 28, 2011, 07:34 PM

Al - Assuming its some kind of Active Directory Server run system.... the admin can either recover the thread from a backup or fiddle around with the system tombstones that mark items for deletion...

Either way it should be fully recoverable.....

Davey · September 28, 2011, 07:38 PM

At least you didn't pull a # rm -fr /

CowTowner · September 28, 2011, 08:12 PM

Hey, are we sure Google doesn't have it all archived?
I'm just sayin'...................................

Al Norris · September 28, 2011, 08:18 PM

Davey, my admin privileges don't go as far as the command line... And I know enough not to do that!

Al Norris · September 28, 2011, 08:18 PM

I've already checked. No google archive.

**Tom Servo** · September 28, 2011, 08:20 PM

Al, Google has it cached.

Webleymkv · September 28, 2011, 08:51 PM

Al, we're all human. It sounds like the cyber-gremlins just chose to focus on you today

NatoRepublic · September 28, 2011, 09:21 PM

No worries Al. I was going to sign up for pacer soon anyway.

**Tom Servo** · September 28, 2011, 09:50 PM

I blame a cover-up by the...well, whoever the conspiracy theorists are blaming this week.

Al Norris · September 28, 2011, 10:28 PM

Thanks Tom.

I was able to get to that part. What I wasn't able to see was anything past that first page, which I have.

I did find another site that has everything up post #223.

Between that and if you (or anyone else) can find the rest of the google archive, it may be a simple matter of adding in the posts after tyme restores from the last good backup.

Meanwhile, I'm still working on getting the cases and descriptors/links written offline. That simply means hand coding all the VB tags in order to link and format from the still opened tab on the original.

FrankenMauser · September 29, 2011, 12:41 AM

Thanks for all the hard work Al. And if we don't get recovery... Thanks for all the hard work, again.

If I get some spare time, I'll see if I can dredge up more cached pages somehow.

**Tom Servo** · September 29, 2011, 11:00 AM

Quote:

I was able to get to that part. What I wasn't able to see was anything past that first page, which I have.

Actually, I didn't realize that Google only archives the first page. Beyond that, I've got no idea.

Al Norris · September 29, 2011, 11:49 AM

tyme has much better google-foo than I! I have a list of all the pages, all the comments, all the links, courtesy of tyme (google's last cache is the pg. 10 entry where I announced that Chicago will have to pay - um, 09-20 or so).

It may take another day or so for tyme to get time (he does have a real job!) to replace the thread from the DB. When we get that live, we can then post what was left out, if anything.

On a side note: I never would have imagined how many folks were reading that thread! I'm getting emails from all over, wondering what the heck happened. On the one hand, makes me feel good that such an interest is out there, on the other hand, I feel like such an idiot!

Al Norris · September 29, 2011, 08:09 PM

You will note that there is a new "sticky" thread - Current 2A Cases - ver 2.0

The thread contains only the cases and is locked until such a time that the original is recovered. This is to assist those who are using it as a resource.

The thread is about 50% formatted and linked. I will finish it as I have the time.

Thank you all for your patience.

CowTowner · September 30, 2011, 07:57 AM

Al, never let yourself feel like an idiot. The word "oops" is there due to humans being humans. If you actually were an idiot, you never would have been able to create the posts to begin with.

Al Norris · September 30, 2011, 08:32 AM

Most of the original thread has been restored!

I've "unstuck" this one but I'll keep it visible (meaning, I'm not gonna delete it).

I want to express my thanks to tyme, who has spent a lot of his personal time in rebuilding the thread so quickly.

hogdogs · September 30, 2011, 08:39 AM

Quote:

The word "oops" is there due to humans being humans.

The only time oops don't count is if the error risks GBH or death to the one in error or another living thing... (mainly humans though)

Que Saran Wrap Que Saran Wrap (What will be, will be...)

Brent

Al Norris · September 30, 2011, 08:50 AM

So the restored file goes to page 9. I'm going to attempt to post the rest of the missing thread, one post at a time, up to the last goggle cached post (Sept. 20th).

alongston · September 30, 2011, 09:50 AM

Accidents happen. Wow you're putting a lot of work into restoring it. Thanks for that.

ltc444 · October 1, 2011, 06:15 PM

As they say in the explosives bidness, if you still have ten fingers and ten toes your good to go.

12 lashes with a wet noddle and as SFC Bernell said, Push On.

September 28, 2011, 07:11 PM	#1
Al Norris Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 29, 2000 Location: Rupert, Idaho Posts: 9,660	Color My Face Red! Earlier today, when I was home for lunch, I was attempting to edit the Current 2A Cases thread, by adding a new page to the list of cases, when I clicked on the wrong controls and ZAP! I had just hard deleted the entire thread. Nobodies fault but mine. Complacency, thy name is Al. I have an email to our sysadmin and I hope he can retrieve it before the system does its nightly cleanup. Otherwise, all the posts are lost.... Except for the first page. I had that opened. That tab is still open. So I still have all the current cases and links available to rebuild from scratch. (whew!) At least I have that much! I apologize to everyone who has come to use it as a reference point.

September 28, 2011, 07:34 PM	#3
BGutzman Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 2009 Location: Frozen Tundra Posts: 2,414	Al - Assuming its some kind of Active Directory Server run system.... the admin can either recover the thread from a backup or fiddle around with the system tombstones that mark items for deletion... Either way it should be fully recoverable..... __________________ Molon Labe

September 28, 2011, 08:12 PM	#5
CowTowner Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2007 Location: Cowtown of course! Posts: 1,747	Hey, are we sure Google doesn't have it all archived? I'm just sayin'................................... __________________ NRA Chief Range Safety Officer, Home Firearms Safety, Pistol and Rifle Instructor *“Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life......”* President John F. Kennedy

September 28, 2011, 08:20 PM	#8
Tom Servo Staff Join Date: September 27, 2008 Location: Foothills of the Appalachians Posts: 13,059	Al, Google has it cached. __________________ Sometimes it’s nice not to destroy the world for a change. --Randall Munroe

September 28, 2011, 09:50 PM	#11
Tom Servo Staff Join Date: September 27, 2008 Location: Foothills of the Appalachians Posts: 13,059	I blame a cover-up by the...well, whoever the conspiracy theorists are blaming this week. __________________ Sometimes it’s nice not to destroy the world for a change. --Randall Munroe

September 28, 2011, 07:30 PM	#2
jgcoastie Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2009 Location: Kodiak, Alaska Posts: 2,118	Al, we're all human. Thanks for being open about it. We've all had a few of those moments, no worries. Worst case scenario, we can all pitch in with a little research assistance. Maybe a new thread (with a copy/paste from page 1 of the old thread) and some of us can volunteer to look into one case each and post timelines/updates. __________________ "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." -Richard Henry Lee, Virginia delegate to the Continental Congress, initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights.

September 28, 2011, 07:38 PM	#4
Davey Senior Member Join Date: August 2, 2010 Location: Not far enough from Chicago Posts: 394	At least you didn't pull a # rm -fr /

September 28, 2011, 08:18 PM	#6
Al Norris Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 29, 2000 Location: Rupert, Idaho Posts: 9,660	Davey, my admin privileges don't go as far as the command line... And I know enough not to do that!

September 28, 2011, 08:51 PM	#9
Webleymkv Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 10,446	Al, we're all human. It sounds like the cyber-gremlins just chose to focus on you today

September 28, 2011, 09:21 PM	#10
NatoRepublic Member Join Date: September 7, 2011 Posts: 22	No worries Al. I was going to sign up for pacer soon anyway.

September 28, 2011, 10:28 PM	#12
Al Norris Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 29, 2000 Location: Rupert, Idaho Posts: 9,660	Thanks Tom. I was able to get to that part. What I wasn't able to see was anything past that first page, which I have. I did find another site that has everything up post #223. Between that and if you (or anyone else) can find the rest of the google archive, it may be a simple matter of adding in the posts after tyme restores from the last good backup. Meanwhile, I'm still working on getting the cases and descriptors/links written offline. That simply means hand coding all the VB tags in order to link and format from the still opened tab on the original.

September 29, 2011, 12:41 AM	#13
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,424	Thanks for all the hard work Al. And if we don't get recovery... Thanks for all the hard work, again. If I get some spare time, I'll see if I can dredge up more cached pages somehow. __________________ Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.

September 29, 2011, 11:49 AM	#15
Al Norris Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 29, 2000 Location: Rupert, Idaho Posts: 9,660	tyme has much better google-foo than I! I have a list of all the pages, all the comments, all the links, courtesy of tyme (google's last cache is the pg. 10 entry where I announced that Chicago will have to pay - um, 09-20 or so). It may take another day or so for tyme to get time (he does have a real job!) to replace the thread from the DB. When we get that live, we can then post what was left out, if anything. On a side note: I never would have imagined how many folks were reading that thread! I'm getting emails from all over, wondering what the heck happened. On the one hand, makes me feel good that such an interest is out there, on the other hand, I feel like such an idiot!

September 29, 2011, 08:09 PM	#16
Al Norris Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 29, 2000 Location: Rupert, Idaho Posts: 9,660	You will note that there is a new "sticky" thread - Current 2A Cases - ver 2.0 The thread contains only the cases and is locked until such a time that the original is recovered. This is to assist those who are using it as a resource. The thread is about 50% formatted and linked. I will finish it as I have the time. Thank you all for your patience.

September 30, 2011, 07:57 AM	#17
CowTowner Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2007 Location: Cowtown of course! Posts: 1,747	Al, never let yourself feel like an idiot. The word "oops" is there due to humans being humans. If you actually were an idiot, you never would have been able to create the posts to begin with. __________________ NRA Chief Range Safety Officer, Home Firearms Safety, Pistol and Rifle Instructor *“Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life......”* President John F. Kennedy

September 30, 2011, 08:32 AM	#18
Al Norris Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 29, 2000 Location: Rupert, Idaho Posts: 9,660	Most of the original thread has been restored! I've "unstuck" this one but I'll keep it visible (meaning, I'm not gonna delete it). I want to express my thanks to tyme, who has spent a lot of his personal time in rebuilding the thread so quickly.

September 30, 2011, 08:50 AM	#20
Al Norris Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 29, 2000 Location: Rupert, Idaho Posts: 9,660	So the restored file goes to page 9. I'm going to attempt to post the rest of the missing thread, one post at a time, up to the last goggle cached post (Sept. 20th).

September 30, 2011, 09:50 AM	#21
alongston Junior Member Join Date: August 25, 2011 Posts: 12	Accidents happen. Wow you're putting a lot of work into restoring it. Thanks for that. __________________ Cast Bullets

October 1, 2011, 06:15 PM	#22
ltc444 Senior Member Join Date: March 3, 2011 Location: Vernon AZ Posts: 1,195	As they say in the explosives bidness, if you still have ten fingers and ten toes your good to go. 12 lashes with a wet noddle and as SFC Bernell said, Push On.