Benelli M1 super90 v. Rem 11-87/1100

Dorsai · November 22, 1999, 10:08 PM

Shot a 3 gun match this weekend and most of the autos were Benelli's. One couple shot at the SOF match in Las Vegas and said the Remingtons couldn't hack the dust and had a lot of malfunctions. I'd like an auto and had thought of getting a cheap 1100 and doing some work on it, but not if it isn't reliable (I'm moving to LV). Any practical experience out there?

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CMOS · November 23, 1999, 09:32 AM

Your observations about seeing many Benelli's are for good reason. The M1 SuperDuper 90 is a tried and proven shotgun in the tactical and hunting arena.

IMHO, you cannot ever go wrong with an M1 Super 90.

I've shot Winchesters, Remington's and the Benelli's. I own an M1S90. I am still amazed at the cyclic rate this shotgun has.

(I do like my Remington 870 Marine Magnum however...)

CMOS

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oberkommando · November 23, 1999, 02:54 PM

Ditto CMOS.

I love my m1s90, but if you want lower recoil you might want one of the rem autoloaders just have it worked at one of the specialty shops, then I think it would be reliable enough. Dont know for sure but maybe Tanks, I have been very happy with Hans Vang, or LARROCA cutom 1100 or 11-87.

CMOS · November 23, 1999, 04:54 PM

BTW, I put a Pachmyer (sp?) Decellerator Pad on my Benelli. Muuuuuuuh better

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hksigwalther · November 23, 1999, 08:14 PM

Or...if you're shooting light loads, get an M3SuperDuper90 and use the pump mode.

I just got an 11-87 too and it seems okay. Haven't really had a chance to fire it yet but will do so this Thnxgiving weekend. Hard to beat that ten round extended mag.

- Ron V.

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Edmund Rowe · November 24, 1999, 10:19 PM

I've shot my M1 Super 90 Benelli Tactical in 2 shotgun training classes. My impressions:

-Ghost rings are fast
-Action cycles fast
-Benelli is very light (believe me this helps while you're holding on target with one hand while topping off the mag for 3 days)
-Sights or sight hood (front and rear) want to vibrate loose
-Factory stock a tad too long
-Mr. Benelli HURTS for extended shooting training. I mean one mag load for a competition or a defensive situation isn't bad. Shoot a variety of slugs and buckshot over 3 days and OUCH that hurts.

One of my shotgun instructors said a major metro police dept replaces their tac team Benellis every 2 years because they wear out with intensive training. I believe it since all that weight savings has to come from somewhere. I don't know what wears out first but I know that receiver is aluminum. Now, whether a civilian will ever shoot that much that they need to worry about replacing their Benelli is debatable.

I got an 11-87 to compare how I like it to the Benelli. Verdict still in deliberations. I think that a good shooter will do well with either and it's really up to personal preference.

Edmund

Jaeger · November 25, 1999, 07:48 AM

Try a Beretta 1201FP. Same cyclic rate as the Benelli. It's light, fast and utterly reliable. Mine has never malfunctioned and will work reliably with low brass target loads. You should be able to find one NIB for under $500. This is a much overlooked and underrated combat shotgun and is at least the equal of if not superior to the Benelli! IMHO Try one. I guarentee you will not be disappointed.

STEVE M · November 27, 1999, 07:32 AM

Jaeger,
Can the Baretta's chamber be unloaded/reloaded while the magazine is full? And will it still cycle if a shell has slipped onto the lift plate? These are two features of the Benelli that I have heard about (don't own either) that have me leaning toward it.

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fumank9 · November 27, 1999, 04:50 PM

I saw a company on the web that would cut down (with the approval of ATF and proper tax stamp of the Benelli to the 14 inch entry gun configeration. But ... I did not book mark it can anyone help me find them again ?

Ankeny · November 27, 1999, 11:13 PM

Don't know much about tactical shotguns, but I hunt geese and predators a lot with my Super 90, 11-87 and Super Black Eagle.

I hunt in stubble fields during extremely cold weather. My actions are full of sand and dirt most of the time.

I have had the same number of problems with both shotguns. The Benelli doesn't work well with dry lube so I use Breakfree. Of course lube, dirt, and cold don't mix.

The Remington will run when it is dry and the only real problem comes when the gas port is plugged. The government trappers out here gun predators from aircraft with 12 gauge shotguns and they just plain abuse them to pieces. Their gun of choice is the 11-87.

By the way, the Beretta recoil operated shotguns use the same action as the Benelli.

Get which ever shotgun you point the best then keep it maintained and you won't have any troubles.

Beano · December 1, 1999, 08:19 PM

Hi Dorsai,

MOO, its chalk and cheese and Benelli's the cheese. The M1 super90 is magnificent and especially with loads of 1 1/8oz or above are virtually unstoppable. I have seen them work straight out of the box with 24g (gram) loads. However, a simple recoil spring change that allows light loads will solve any ejection problems if they crop up.

There is a reason that Beretta Recoil Semi-Auto's have Benelli internals. Benelli actions are the simplest and FASTEST around. Beretta has just bought the company. No doubt they will pirate all of Benelli's technology, just like they did with Perazzi, before getting rid of it.

The 1201f is a carbon copy of an early Black Eagle and the Pintail is an Exact, Precise, Carbon Copy of the early Benelli 121sl80's. One thing is to be said for Beretta. When they copy, they copy good. There is absolutely nothing wrong with either the 1201f or the Pintail.

MOO, there is no gas operated semi auto, as reliable as a recoil operated semi auto. However, if I had my choice of gas guns, first would be the Beretta's and second the Browning Gold. The 1100/87's are too finicky for me. I don't like o-rings and things of that nature. With my Benelli's I don't need to walk around with a tool kit and parts, or to have a spare in the car.

Another thing, balance, Benelli's and Beretta's are so much better balanced than 1100/87's. They are a joy to shoot for extended periods. When they used to come with a butt plate only, some people thought the felt recoil was a little heavy. Improved shooting technique, especially on moving targets, will help eliminate felt recoil. Also, Benelli's of today come with nice big recoil pads. These help a lot too. An 1100/87 is an nice shooting gun, when its working, but hurts the left hand a bit too much.

MOO, Benelli's are the best semi autos in the world.

ENJOY SHOTGUNNING and try ISSF Skeet.

hksigwalther · December 1, 1999, 11:26 PM

Don't forget Beretta copying Walther's P-38 for their 951/92.

- Ron V.

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Jaeger · December 2, 1999, 04:12 PM

Sorry for the late reply, Steve M. I've been away hunting.

The Beretta's chamber can be loaded and unloaded with a loaded magazine. It will also cycle with a shell on the lift plate. There is a small button at the base of the lift plate that must be pushed to release a round from the magazine. Beretta calls this a "cruiser safety". It works very well and with a bit of practice becomes second nature. Copy or no copy the 1201 is a helluva shotgun! And the price is right.

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November 22, 1999, 10:08 PM	#1
Dorsai Member Join Date: February 26, 1999 Location: Loveland, CO USA Posts: 83	Shot a 3 gun match this weekend and most of the autos were Benelli's. One couple shot at the SOF match in Las Vegas and said the Remingtons couldn't hack the dust and had a lot of malfunctions. I'd like an auto and had thought of getting a cheap 1100 and doing some work on it, but not if it isn't reliable (I'm moving to LV). Any practical experience out there? ------------------ Dorsai Personal weapons are what raised mankind out of the mud, and the rifle is the queen of personal weapons. The possession of a good rifle, as well as the skill to use it well, truly makes a man the monarch of all he surveys. -- Jeff Cooper, The Art of the Rifle

November 23, 1999, 09:32 AM	#2
CMOS Senior Member Join Date: June 10, 1999 Location: TEXAS Posts: 1,417	Your observations about seeing many Benelli's are for good reason. The M1 SuperDuper 90 is a tried and proven shotgun in the tactical and hunting arena. IMHO, you cannot ever go wrong with an M1 Super 90. I've shot Winchesters, Remington's and the Benelli's. I own an M1S90. I am still amazed at the cyclic rate this shotgun has. (I do like my Remington 870 Marine Magnum however...) CMOS ------------------ Join GOA, NRA, LEAA and vote.

November 23, 1999, 02:54 PM	#3
oberkommando Senior Member Join Date: September 25, 1999 Posts: 1,158	Ditto CMOS. I love my m1s90, but if you want lower recoil you might want one of the rem autoloaders just have it worked at one of the specialty shops, then I think it would be reliable enough. Dont know for sure but maybe Tanks, I have been very happy with Hans Vang, or LARROCA cutom 1100 or 11-87.

November 23, 1999, 04:54 PM	#4
CMOS Senior Member Join Date: June 10, 1999 Location: TEXAS Posts: 1,417	BTW, I put a Pachmyer (sp?) Decellerator Pad on my Benelli. Muuuuuuuh better . CMOS ------------------ Join GOA, NRA, LEAA and vote.

November 23, 1999, 08:14 PM	#5
hksigwalther Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 1998 Location: NE OH, USA Posts: 3,198	Or...if you're shooting light loads, get an M3SuperDuper90 and use the pump mode. I just got an 11-87 too and it seems okay. Haven't really had a chance to fire it yet but will do so this Thnxgiving weekend. Hard to beat that ten round extended mag. - Ron V. ------------------

November 24, 1999, 10:19 PM	#6
Edmund Rowe Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 1998 Location: Warner Robins, GA USA Posts: 351	I've shot my M1 Super 90 Benelli Tactical in 2 shotgun training classes. My impressions: -Ghost rings are fast -Action cycles fast -Benelli is very light (believe me this helps while you're holding on target with one hand while topping off the mag for 3 days) -Sights or sight hood (front and rear) want to vibrate loose -Factory stock a tad too long -Mr. Benelli HURTS for extended shooting training. I mean one mag load for a competition or a defensive situation isn't bad. Shoot a variety of slugs and buckshot over 3 days and OUCH that hurts. One of my shotgun instructors said a major metro police dept replaces their tac team Benellis every 2 years because they wear out with intensive training. I believe it since all that weight savings has to come from somewhere. I don't know what wears out first but I know that receiver is aluminum. Now, whether a civilian will ever shoot that much that they need to worry about replacing their Benelli is debatable. I got an 11-87 to compare how I like it to the Benelli. Verdict still in deliberations. I think that a good shooter will do well with either and it's really up to personal preference. Edmund

November 25, 1999, 07:48 AM	#7
Jaeger Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 1999 Location: PA Posts: 365	Try a Beretta 1201FP. Same cyclic rate as the Benelli. It's light, fast and utterly reliable. Mine has never malfunctioned and will work reliably with low brass target loads. You should be able to find one NIB for under $500. This is a much overlooked and underrated combat shotgun and is at least the equal of if not superior to the Benelli! IMHO Try one. I guarentee you will not be disappointed.

November 27, 1999, 07:32 AM	#8
STEVE M Senior Member Join Date: February 7, 1999 Location: TN. USA Posts: 607	Jaeger, Can the Baretta's chamber be unloaded/reloaded while the magazine is full? And will it still cycle if a shell has slipped onto the lift plate? These are two features of the Benelli that I have heard about (don't own either) that have me leaning toward it. ------------------ keep your options open & never miss!

November 27, 1999, 04:50 PM	#9
fumank9 Member Join Date: November 27, 1999 Posts: 22	I saw a company on the web that would cut down (with the approval of ATF and proper tax stamp of the Benelli to the 14 inch entry gun configeration. But ... I did not book mark it can anyone help me find them again ?

November 27, 1999, 11:13 PM	#10
Ankeny Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 1998 Location: Shoshoni, WY USA Posts: 556	Don't know much about tactical shotguns, but I hunt geese and predators a lot with my Super 90, 11-87 and Super Black Eagle. I hunt in stubble fields during extremely cold weather. My actions are full of sand and dirt most of the time. I have had the same number of problems with both shotguns. The Benelli doesn't work well with dry lube so I use Breakfree. Of course lube, dirt, and cold don't mix. The Remington will run when it is dry and the only real problem comes when the gas port is plugged. The government trappers out here gun predators from aircraft with 12 gauge shotguns and they just plain abuse them to pieces. Their gun of choice is the 11-87. By the way, the Beretta recoil operated shotguns use the same action as the Benelli. Get which ever shotgun you point the best then keep it maintained and you won't have any troubles.

December 1, 1999, 08:19 PM	#11
Beano Member Join Date: October 29, 1999 Location: Barbados Posts: 28	Hi Dorsai, MOO, its chalk and cheese and Benelli's the cheese. The M1 super90 is magnificent and especially with loads of 1 1/8oz or above are virtually unstoppable. I have seen them work straight out of the box with 24g (gram) loads. However, a simple recoil spring change that allows light loads will solve any ejection problems if they crop up. There is a reason that Beretta Recoil Semi-Auto's have Benelli internals. Benelli actions are the simplest and FASTEST around. Beretta has just bought the company. No doubt they will pirate all of Benelli's technology, just like they did with Perazzi, before getting rid of it. The 1201f is a carbon copy of an early Black Eagle and the Pintail is an Exact, Precise, Carbon Copy of the early Benelli 121sl80's. One thing is to be said for Beretta. When they copy, they copy good. There is absolutely nothing wrong with either the 1201f or the Pintail. MOO, there is no gas operated semi auto, as reliable as a recoil operated semi auto. However, if I had my choice of gas guns, first would be the Beretta's and second the Browning Gold. The 1100/87's are too finicky for me. I don't like o-rings and things of that nature. With my Benelli's I don't need to walk around with a tool kit and parts, or to have a spare in the car. Another thing, balance, Benelli's and Beretta's are so much better balanced than 1100/87's. They are a joy to shoot for extended periods. When they used to come with a butt plate only, some people thought the felt recoil was a little heavy. Improved shooting technique, especially on moving targets, will help eliminate felt recoil. Also, Benelli's of today come with nice big recoil pads. These help a lot too. An 1100/87 is an nice shooting gun, when its working, but hurts the left hand a bit too much. MOO, Benelli's are the best semi autos in the world. ENJOY SHOTGUNNING and try ISSF Skeet.

December 1, 1999, 11:26 PM	#12
hksigwalther Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 1998 Location: NE OH, USA Posts: 3,198	Don't forget Beretta copying Walther's P-38 for their 951/92. - Ron V. ------------------

December 2, 1999, 04:12 PM	#13
Jaeger Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 1999 Location: PA Posts: 365	Sorry for the late reply, Steve M. I've been away hunting. The Beretta's chamber can be loaded and unloaded with a loaded magazine. It will also cycle with a shell on the lift plate. There is a small button at the base of the lift plate that must be pushed to release a round from the magazine. Beretta calls this a "cruiser safety". It works very well and with a bit of practice becomes second nature. Copy or no copy the 1201 is a helluva shotgun! And the price is right.